I still think that while the God and miracles part of the account is a matter of faith, Egypt was the worlds major trading center, conveniently located for that at the mouth of the Nile, so if something caused them to lose their livestock, they'd begin trying to replenish it the next day. A second event wiping it out--how much later isn't specified--isn't a logical problem.
What's WRONG with this Ten Plague description?
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Terry
so if something caused them to lose their livestock, they'd begin trying to replenish it the next day. A second event wiping it out--how much later isn't specified--isn't a logical problem
A bit of a stretch if you ask me.
How do you replace ALL of your livestock? By railroad? Air cargo?
Do you place a phone call to the next nearest nation who have a ready supply of horses and cattle and such ready to ship?
The logistics four thousand years ago would be a nightmare.
Just getting a request from Point A to Point B, negotiating the terms, getting confirmation, rounding up available stock, shipping (?) and such would be an extraordinary undertaking. Surely you see that.
What if, instead, we merely adopt the easiest and MOST REASONABLE conclusion? The Bible account is an error.
Occam's Razor, old boy, Occam's Razor!
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EndofMysteries
"Your not thinking 4th dimentionally" - Doc Brown
Most of the book of Genesis, nobody is reading it's true message and how it's meant to be read. It's more symoblic and deep then revelation, especially because it doesn't appear from the outside to have any symbolic meaning, but to be taken literal.
The plagues are symbolic, and prophetic. They don't make sense if read literally. Find out what Egypt means in the bible, especially in regards to the last days and time of the end. (mentioned in Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, etc).
The plagues prophetic could have a large timespan as well.
Plague #7 for example, a possibility, those not doing the word of the lord left their slaves in the field. (field of the harvest, the workers, field Jesus speaks of, etc) Very strong condemnation on the 'shepards' of God's people in all the prophetic books.
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Terry
Most of the book of Genesis, nobody is reading it's true message and how it's meant to be read. It's more symoblic and deep then revelation, especially because it doesn't appear from the outside to have any symbolic meaning, but to be taken literal.
The plagues are symbolic, and prophetic. They don't make sense if read literally. Find out what Egypt means in the bible, especially in regards to the last days and time of the end. (mentioned in Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, etc).
The plagues prophetic could have a large timespan as well.
Plague #7 for example, a possibility, those not doing the word of the lord left their slaves in the field. (field of the harvest, the workers, field Jesus speaks of, etc) Very strong condemnation on the 'shepards' of God's people in all the prophetic books.
And you base this opinion, kind sir, exactly ON WHAT?
It sounds like you are a mystic.
A rational person knows we are real and we live in a real world. That is natural.
A mystic believes the so-called "real" world isn't what it seems and that there is a greater consciousness and better reality. Supernature.
Nature is what exists.
Supernature is what you imagine it to be.
The problem is that we actually live in nature. The supernatural doesn't work here.
Ever see a Trekkie dressed up in a Star Trek character costume at a convention?
That is the mindset that comes from dwelling too long outside the real world.
So, please---take off the Spock ears and tell me WHY you believe what you've posted is true.
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moshe
I have seen in my own prayer book in Synagogue, that an alternate prayer is offered for those who don't subscribe to the supernatural events if the Bible ( Hebrew Bible). I know it is hard to for Christians to understand, but Jews don't have to accept these supernatural stories as fact in order to be Jewish. Which begs the question, " what happens to Christianity, if they also reject the supernatural in the OT?
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EndofMysteries
Terry -
Why I believe that? Because I see it. Genesis is loaded with hidden/coded prophecies, addressing questions which are very slightly addressed in the bible. Just attempting to read some of it literally, should club you in. Genesis chapter 1 makes NO sense literally. (The sun and moon being in earths atmosphere? ) Genesis 14 is another example.
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PrimateDave
Here is one artists rendering of Ancient Hebrew Cosmology. Getting off topic here, but...
People nowadays seem to forget that our advanced scientific understanding of the Universe is barely 100 years old. Even the idea that the Earth revolves around the Sun (which is not technically accurate either) is only a few centuries old. Which is why it sounds ludicrous when 21st Century humans assume that Bronze Age civilizations and superstitious sheep herders had some kind of "special" knowledge higher than our own.
"The sun and moon being in earths atmosphere?" - You are assuming that the writer(s) of Genesis had the same concept of the "Sun" and "Moon" and "Earth" and even "atmosphere" that we do today. Of course, the account in Genesis chapter one should make no sense literally to a 21st Century human who has hopefully had a decent education. The fact is that it probably made perfect sense to people whose education and entertainment consisted soley of telling and listening to stories around the camp fire!
This really is the Age of Irony. Amidst the abundance of technology and wealth of scientific knowledge that makes it possible to transmit information around the globe in a fraction of a second, there are still people who live lives of superstition and fantasy no different from their ancestors back in the Dark Ages of Europe (or wherever they're from). I would even go so far as to speculate that our Dark Age ancestors, despite their superstitions and limited understanding of the Universe, were somewhat more grounded in reality than many of us moderns are, since they were more firmly tied to the realities of their local ecologies. Our ancestors were ignorant for a good reason. What excuse do we have to be ignorant anymore?
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PrimateDave
Moshe said, "Which begs the question, 'what happens to Christianity, if they also reject the supernatural in the OT?'"
Does that makes one a Unitarian?
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Terry
I attended a Unitarian Church once.
The weren't against anything.
Gee, what fun is Church if you aren't against something?
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EndofMysteries
I 'just' ran into this today, compare Gen 1, with "Secrets of Enoch chapters 25 to 35ish. Goes through the days of creation, and seems to agree and shed more light on what the Gen 1 was talking about and the point I was trying to make.