The Demise of Babylon the Great: When?

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AGuest

dear Shelby...
Michelle...
I don't read where "everyone" in Babylon says they are in union with Christ or know Him as a wife knows her husband...but prove false to these things...
Yes, I understand. But that is what makes her a "harlot", dear one.
I do see where the kings commit fornication with Babylon though...
I am glad.
as well...only ones with authority can mislead others...
You are mistaken. Very often it is WITHOUT authority who have done so. But to respond to what you've said, the kings give THEIR authority to the wild beast. The wild beast gets IT'S authority from the viper (dragon). Surely, you read that? If not, you can find it at Revelation 17:12 (which I included) and Revelation 13:2, 4.
little ones seldom have a voice but "follow orders"...
Seldom, perhaps. Always... not so much.
there must be some kind of pecking order where 10 kings have authority over demons and unclean spirits...
I am not sure where you're getting that the 10 kings have authority over demons and unclean spirits. You actually have it backward:
1. Babylon the Great becomes a dwelling place for FOR demons and unclean spirits...
2. The wild beast gets ITS authority from the viper (dragon), which has authority over the demons and unclean spirits, which dwell IN Babylon the Great...
3. Babylon the Great rides on the BACK of the wild beast and its ten kings (which is WHY these come to hate her)
4. The wild beast has authority over the 10 kings, gives those kings authority for one hour, during which they give such authority BACK to the wild beast... so that they can destroy the Harlot... in that one hour.
if you're going to point your finger at "christendom"...you're going to have to have more than 10 fingers for the protestants
First, it isn't my finger that pointed. Second, the finger was pointed at Babylone the Great... and there was NO number associated with how many are "in" her...
and there is only one supreme authority in the catholic faith
And who might that be? If you say the Pope, then you are only proving the point as to who is "in" Babylon, at least as far as that "member" goes, because Christ is certainly more "supreme" than the Pope, and God definitely is. So, by answering the Pope, YOU are acknowledging YOUR fornication by your "love" of another "husband." If you say Christ, then, again, you are proving the point because IF he was the "one supreme authority" then you wouldn't be IN the "catholic faith" AND committing such fornication, but rather IN the Body of Christ... with ONE husbandly owner. Christ. The Lamb of God. And you follow him... and ONLY him... AS your "supreme authority." If you say God... then same point as for Christ. You might want to stop and think about your answer here, Michelle, before responding. Because, by your own admission... YOU are still IN "her"... and thus "touching the unclean thing."
...if you're going to point...
Again, it wasn't MY finger. I am merely the servant. If you have a problem with the message... or the direction it's pointing... you should probably consider discussing that with its originator. I mean, you can do that, right? Or, at least, you can ask the Pope... personally... to do it for you? Right? You CAN talk to HIM... can you not?
Love michelle
Yes. Of course. Unfortunately, I find that hard to believe, still. I do not dismiss the possibility that ONE day your wish of love might be sincere, but right now... well, let's just say it's still on "shaky ground."
My peace remains.
A slave of Christ,
SA
AGuest

Quit speculating.
If you don't get it, that's okay, dear Judge (and peace to you), but you should probably quit using the same tired WTBTS "we don't have the answers" cover up. Anytime something comes up that THEY don't know, they also accuse folks of "speculating."
You will be pleased to know that JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH finally contacted me, so I am okay now.
WHOO-HOO, dear OTWO! I am so HAPPY for you! Welcome aboard! PEACE to you!
JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH said that AGuest posts many words and loses the audience.
Well, I guess since this really more about MY faith and salvation than anyone else's... no one should be too concerned. If you can stay focused for, say, 5-10 minutes, cool. If not, well, there are a GREAT many "shorter" versions of the "truth" out there. Lots of ones with pretty colored pictures, too, for those who are more, ummmm... shall we say "visual" in their learning habits. Unfortunately, the shorter versions leave a LOT out... and the pretty colored pictures usually show my Lord looking more like an Arnold Schwarzenegger 70s-80s body builder than the HUGE and PERFECT spirit in the very small, sickly imperfect vessel that he truly was. But, if what one wants is lies and condensed half-truths, they ARE out there and folks like the WTBTS would be MORE than happy to point you in that direction...
JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH wants me to take over as the spokesman for holy spirit. I am more direct and to the point.
Not that the Holy Spirit NEEDS a "spokesman," but if that's what my Lord "wants," then by ALL means... get to it. Be about your work. For a certainty, I will be the LAST one to stand in your way.
Again, peace to you, both!
A slave of Christ,
SA
AGuest

Interestingly, dear Lieu (and peace to you!)... Jersualem was already burned to the ground by the Romans when John penned the Revelation. True, parts of what he wrote had already occurred (for instance, my Lord had already received the kingdom); however, the blood of the prophets and holy ones have not only been found in Jerusalem. The Vatican has quite a bit of such blood "in" it. As does many of the colonial Protestant faiths that murdered by witch hunt, etc. The WTBTS certainly has today.
Don't limit yourself. Babylon the Great is a BIG girl. Truly.
Again, I bid you peace!
A slave of Christ,
SA
wobble

Thanks once again Dear Shelby,
Your posts are much appreciated.
Love,
Wobble
AGuest

You are QUITE welcome, dear Wobble... and the greatest of love and peace to you!
This was an exciting "revelation" for me because, as I said, I had no idea. Hadn't really thought about it. I mean, since the demise is for her and those in HER... and I have LONG gotten "out" of her... why should her end be of concern to me? It wasn't... and really isn't. The only ones who should concern themselves are those who are still "in" her.
But I am glad that this task was of some benefit to you (as to the understanding of the time line - nothing else - LOL!)... and perhaps some others. If no others, no worries - I post as I do in order to show MY faith in what I receive from my Lord, the Holy Spirit and Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH. To keep such things to myself would be exactly the opposite: a demonstration of my LACK of faith in what I am given from him. So... here I am.
As for you, thank you for your always kind words. May the undeserved kindness and mercy of my God and Father, the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, and the love and peace of His Son and Christ, my Lord, the Holy Spirit and Holy One of Israel, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, be upon you... and your entire household... to time indefinite!
YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,
SA
OnTheWayOut

JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH told me to disregard all of Revalation and replace it with:
myelaine

dear Shelby...(how do I love thee, let me count the ways...)
I understood that you were declaring that all christendom and the WTBTS are giving their power to Babylon the great and that it was somehow a religious entity like a church where people gather to worship God but it is a false "system of worship" as in the wrong "doctrine".
I've come to think that in as much as many all over the world have come to "worship" their computer, and forums and such things as facebook and youtube have become "idols" that ones regularily/religiously "do obeisance" to, that that "entity" could very well be babylon the great...as an aside...some people have inadvertantly become "BONE IDLE" and really have no life outside their computer "network"...sadly...:(...
(if you want to become the bad guy in a hurry just restrict a kids computer time)
even eziekiel was dismayed when given a vision regarding looking through "windows"...
love michelle
OUTLAW

Shelby..
Check your PM`s..

....................... ...OUTLAW
AGuest

dear Shelby
Michelle...
(how do I love thee, let me count the ways...)
Okay, I am going to take your word for it, because you have stated it. But I would ask that you let the REST of your words reflect that love, if you can. As an imperfect human, I understand how hard it is, sometimes, to actually love. We can say it all the day long. But it's not how we are when ones are showing love TO you, but how you are when you perceive they are not. Whether your perception is accurate... or off.
I understood that you were declaring that all christendom and the WTBTS are giving their power to Babylon the great
You misunderstood again, dear Michelle, which you often do because, as I am told by my Lord (yes, I did ask him what was "up" with you) is because you are looking (as are many others)... for the ERROR in what I share... rather than looking for the LOVE. As a result, this time you have confused the 10 kings, who give THEIR power and authority to the wild beast, upon whose head THEY exist... with Babylon the Great... who rides on the BACK of that wild beast. No one is mentioned as giving their power to her.
and that it was somehow a religious entity like a church where people gather to worship God but it is a false "system of worship" as in the wrong "doctrine".
Again, you misunderstand (and I would have been MORE than happy to clarify had you only asked me to do so). Babylon the Great is not a religious entity. She is not a "church", per se, in that she is not one religion. Nor is a ONE false system of worship. She is all of those PEOPLE who have claimed a union with Christ, but have proven false TO that union. Those "false system(s) of worship" come out of HER - they are her "daughters" (she is "the mother of the harlots"). But that was not discussed in this particular thread.
I've come to think that in as much as many all over the world have come to "worship" their computer, and forums and such things as facebook and youtube have become "idols" that ones regularily/religiously "do obeisance" to
Perhaps. My Lord has not made such a statement to me, though, so for now, I would have to say such things are really of no consequence, at least not as you suggest. MY thinking is that they really arent't worship at all, but actually just various means people use to fill various voids in their otherwise over-stimulated lives. Means to stay "connected" to the, oh, what is that Borg word... "collective" that is the world. Well, their tiny part of it.
Be that as it may, what you are again missing, dear Michelle, is that it is not about what WE have "come to think" at all, either of us. What WE think... is irrelevant. That is why we (humans) are always so misled. We like to "lean" on our OWN "understanding"... rather than going to the One who can lead us into ALL truth and simply let HIM guide us. By doing the former, we put ourselves in a position to be MISled... by other "thinkers."
Not that I am saying "don't think." What I am saying is that what we "think" is so... well, beneath... the level at which God thinks, and thus Christ thinks... that we limit ourselves. We only get so "high." It's as if we are only thinking slightly above the level of animals (some of which actually DO think "higher" than we do at times! Numbers 22:33). But limiting ourselves to what WE think... or, even worse, to what OTHER humans think... is doing ourselves the greatest disservice. Because we... and they... can only think so "high." True, on a human plane we can think WIDE... but I have come to learn that it really is very shallow. Because it is limited to THIS world... the physical realm... when there are other "worlds" to consider.
If, however, we would ALLOW ourselves to condescend our OWN thoughts, and CONSIDER that perhaps we, humans, really DON'T have a clue as to the things of the SPIRIT... nor CAN we without someone to "open" up that world TO US... then we at least open ourselves up to the possibility of thinking "higher." Because that is where TRUTH will come from. It ain't "down" here, dear one.
that that "entity" could very well be babylon the great...as an aside...some people have inadvertantly become "BONE IDLE" and really have no life outside their computer "network"...sadly...:(...
Yes, I see. May I ask: who was she in, say, 1380ad? 1215ad? 629ad? 1612? 1865? 1960? 2005? You know, before there were personal computers, cell phones, Facebook, YouTube? And "bone idleness" is not a new phenomena, dear one. Not hardly. There are people who are busier than mankind has ever seen... and millenia ago there were people who were lazier and more idle than many today.
(if you want to become the bad guy in a hurry just restrict a kids computer time)
I'd say depends on the kid (i.e., not all kids have computers. Or iPods. Or cable.)
even eziekiel was dismayed when given a vision regarding looking through "windows"...
Well, actually, Ezekiel became dismayed at what he was shown through a door... and a hole in the temple wall. Am I to understand that you believe the hole to be a "window"... and "windows" now to be computer screens? Interesting. At one time, some thought the same of motion pictures and later, televisions. Some kind of "evil" eye(s), etc. Interesting that your thoughts are also along those lines.
Unfortunately, I don't share those thoughts, however. I am actually very grateful to be living in a time where we have such technology. Helps some of us get sort of further OUT of the "dark ages" if you get what I mean (i.e., exposes the false teachings and heinous conduct of many who profess to be in union with Christ, as well as governments who oppress and commit genocide, etc.). I certainly couldn't share all that I do with ALL of Christ's Body members worldwide without such technology. I mean, sure, I can write a pretty good letter, but who would I mail it to? Where? Forums such as this (which requires a computer) have alleviated that particular issue quite well, IMHO. Indeed, with my Lord's help, I have come to have no doubt that that is exactly what Zechariah was referring to at Zechariah 5:1.
love michelle
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt, dear Michelle, and accept your love... as well as wish it back upon you, in FULL, along with peace.
YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,
SA
tec

Shelby - I understand and appreciate what you are saying.
Thank you,
Tammy

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