Do We Give WTS Too Much Credit? Are They Maybe Just Dummies?

by OnTheWayOut 34 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • undercover
    undercover

    I've wondered the same thing in the past. We're they really that sinister or were they, in their misheld belief to be speaking for God, just over enthusiastic in their attempts to shepard the flock?

    I used to try to figure it out, but in the end it doesn't really matter. Evil or not, they're liars and false prophets. For monetary gain, for power or just because they're delusional...it doesn't really matter. There is no Time of the End, no Armageddon, no Paradise. Nothing they say is significantly important to me anymore.

    I only stay on top of the latest in order to stay a step ahead of my dub family.

    Good thread though. These type threads help lurkers and newbies as they try to wrap their head around the structure of how the WTS works.

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    I kind of feel like the borg is a clockwork that was set into motion by Rutherford and is simply going through the same self-perpetuating motions ever since his death.

    Is the leadership wholly "in the know" in the sense that they're fully aware of the same things most of us here are aware of? I really doubt it. Are they all "true believers" in the doctrine? I doubt that, too, though I would think the majority of them are. Do they all believe that the needs of the organization are more important than the needs of individual members or even the sum total of all the members? I feel that the vast majority, if not every last one of them, do.

    They're cogs in a machine that they don't fully understand and most of them think they and their machine are doing something very important.

    Is there ANYone at the higher levels of the borg that truly knows the score? Probably.

  • ldrnomo
    ldrnomo

    I agree with leaving. I think there are many more now then in Ray's time that are having a crisis of conscience, many are just afraid to act out on their feelings. The society has done a wonderful job of instilling fear in every witness alive. Instead of hellfire, they fear everlasting destruction.

    LD

  • Judge Dread
    Judge Dread

    First example: I think it's just "sector rotation".

    The same thing happens in the stock market. The oil stocks take a dump for three days, and become the "now" topics for negative news. At the same time, the financials go up for three days, and become topics of positive news.

    Second example: I think they envision a change in the law. They think that the local, state, or federal officials might start requiring some type of special fee or tax for religious organizations who have any type of meeting that takes place in the homes of it's members.

    Just speculating, of course.

    Judge Dread

  • flipper
    flipper

    I agree with LDRNOMO that fear is instilled into many by the powers upstairs in the organization- but I still feel the powers upstairs have evil intent in influencing those that don't and as some posters said " know what they are doing ". I feel some elders are good- really want to assist the rank and file , but there are nutjobs who want to advance their own status at the expense of fellow members.

    Some of the leaders of the cult are very well aware of what they are doing is evil, some are probably psychotic and NOT aware , but are led by the noose put on them by the " evil intented " ones. There has always been dominant men in power in the JW cult , i.e. Rutherford, Knorr, Jaracz . I believe those men know what they are doing in duping others. The fact the organization has lasted since what, 1874 ? - is partial proof that they have a insidious system that works - and they are going to keep banging that monkey and system until they bleed the witnesses of their time, their life, free labor, and kep controlling their minds. Yeah, evil intent and diabolical. In their own silent way - yes- they are serial murderers , whether they are crazy or not- the effect is it horribly damages people's lives

  • metatron
    metatron

    It's not easy to sort out, guys. Yes, they are dumb and biased and uneducated, often with little real knowledge of the Bible itself. In my Bethel years, I believed that the Governing Body was led by holy spirit because the organization was wise and successful despite the lack of ability or intelligence manifest by them (except for Ray Franz, who had doubts and Fred Franz, who was just eccentric). I had no idea how much was covered up and how many lies were supporting the organization.

    They just don't think about Malawi or blood or any of the serious issues brought up here. "Well, it's still Jehovah's organization" pretty much covers any discrepancy. I recall that the rumors about Greenlees getting caught with his hands on a young boy followed this same bizarre cultish response.

    Maybe this lends support to you Darwinist types out there but much of the success they encounter is just cut and try, without any real thought behind it. No conscious design needed. So, you have astoundingly boring and sterile meetings in which most of the audience sits there in a nearly hypnotic gaze ( if not almost asleep) and gets programmed. If you drift away from your congregation, no Witless ever asks with concern if you have lost faith in God and Jesus, just 'we missed you at the meetings'. It's the programming sessions that are all important.

    I have encountered CO's who acted as if canceling any meeting for bad weather was unthinkable. Eventually, peer pressure sets in and Witlesses treat meetings as sacrosanct even though they pay little attention while there.

    I read a true story the other day about a 17 year old gangbanger who was dying from a gunshot wound to the chest. The police wanted to know who shot him. He followed the 'don't snitch' code and refused to tell them. He died.

    Whether Witlesses or other people, habit can be a powerful force. Sometimes, even more powerful than your life as manifest by getting shot or wasting years of your life in meetings or the "ministry".

    metatron

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    If you drift away from your congregation, no Witless ever asks with concern if you have lost faith in God and Jesus, just 'we missed you at the meetings'. It's the programming sessions that are all important.

    Excellent point that I can confirm from recent personal experience. Nobody from our Hall misses US. Nobody worries about how we are REALLY doing. It is always, "we miss you at the meetings."

  • metatron
    metatron

    Here's another point to consider: For years now, they have been running the organization on autopilot. Nothing really new, stale ideas rehashed and nobody with the prophetic authority (i.e. Fred Franz) to make big changes.

    but aircraft can't run on autopilot forever. They run out of fuel eventually.

    Somebody tell me, will they ever 'wake up' someday in the near future and realize that their organization is an impractical failure? Specifically, Witlesses in developed nations have stopped contributing and there is still huge growth in poor, trouble ridden nations that don't contribute either because they're broke. Sorry, Watchtower but those pennies Nkomo sent you from selling his chickens aren't gonna pay for next month's paper for Awake printing!

    What do they do or say if the growth they worship just makes everything worse and can't be supported, much less profitable? Do they cancel everything except a few cheap tracts? And then what? Revel in continuing growth worldwide that loses money? Can they escape the explanation that Jehovah has shut them down, as Pastor Russell warned? And even if they can do that, how do they continue to fanatically demand ever more zeal in a "ministry" that creates more publishers with closed wallets?

    If Witlesses can't be trusted to donate money, exactly how much of their reputed devotion is real? The Governing Body is really dumb if they aren't thinking about this.

    metatron

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    It's the banality of evil concept in action.

  • wannabefree
    wannabefree

    My two cents - When I look at the days of "The Judge", it almost seems like the flock were pawns in an "l'll show you!" to the rest of the world. Like he set up the flock to be persecuted wherever there was a conflict so they could take one for the Judge.

    Today, I can't help but think that "The Organization" has taken on an identity of its own, it lives, and the GB believes it is God's organization and will continue to search for new light because it not being God's org isn't an option.

    Of course, that is just my current opinion.

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