Is it even POSSIBLE to escape our own PERSPECTIVE??

by Terry 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • Terry
    Terry

    In certain parts of the world people eat monkey brains by trapping a live monkey in a special table and then cracking open its skull and eating the

    contents! Yummy or disgusting? Normal to people who do it all the time but disgusting to the rest of us.

    Muslim schools in radicalized parts of the world teach their children to think of Jewish people as evil scum.

    Cartoon characters (like Mickey Mouse) are employed to demonstrate this imputed evil.

    The child grows up with the very natural understanding that Jews must be stopped at all costs!

    For a Protestant, the Catholic lay person's obsession with seeing the "Virgin" Mary in rust stains on water towers or in the burnt side of a grilled

    cheese sandwich are the height of ridiculous religious mania.

    But, for the devout Catholic, reared on countless stories of martyrs, saints and intercessors, etc.---the beauty and awe-inspiring come natural in

    any report of the "Virgin" Mary appearing.

    What is my point?

    Let us try and Imagine a time and a world in which there WAS NO JESUS as yet.

    The Jewish ethos certainly revolved around expectations of some sort of Messiah of some description.

    For the Gentile Roman--the everyday world would be filled with demi-gods, emperor gods, sacrificial ceremonies and placations, auguries, etc.

    The Roman could partly comprehend what Jews were doing in there Temple ceremonies if only because they themselves did something reasonably

    similar.

    Yet, to Romans, Jews and Christians were atheist......because THEY DISBELIEVED MANY GODS!

    That is what was shocking to Romans!

    EACH GROUP HAS ITS OWN PERSPECTIVE on what is normal, natural, believable and unbelievable.

    Many came and went with claims to Messiah-ship. Reports of miracles were not uncommon. After all--why would anybody ever believe such a claim

    unless some magic, hoodwinkery, flim-flam accompanied the charismatic presentation of a candidate for Messiah?

    Statistically, by population numbers Jesus was believed by relatively few. After all, there had been plenty of Messiah-candidates before (and after)

    him. The role of Messiah wasn't a startling innovation.

    Things attributed to Jesus might stem from a need, desire or opportunity to convince a skeptical listener that this Jesus was in

    some important ways different from the others.

    Miracles, for example.

    With the "miracles" being described as so numerous the world could not contain the description--it makes one wonder how Jesus avoided being

    taken more seriously than his predecessors with their phoney magic.

    Who would be more disposed to believing him? People (groups) with a similar agenda. Yet, no group embraced him. Neither Pharisee, nor Saducee,

    nor the officials at the Temple were warmly predisposed. Jesus only attracted the odd man out like a Judas who may have been a radical Sicarii.

    Fishermen and Women were mostly the big fan base for Jesus!

    Women were drawn to his peaceable message, certainly. Rabble. Prostitutes. Castoffs from regular society.

    Jesus spoke, attracted crowds, gathered twleve, performed miracles, got into arguments/debates, was arrested and put to death.

    Was any of this different from any other Messiah before him?

    LARGELY, THE CHRISTIAN MOVEMENT WAS THE RESULT OF STORIES CIRCULATED AFTER HIS DEATH.

    Were these fish stories? Exaggerations? Embellishments?

    When Elvis died we had a similar phenomenon: newspaper stories popped up with people claiming they had sighted Elvis still alive!

    Since we know there were many, many (later called non-canonical or apocryphal) stories or Gospels about Jesus--this would tend to prove that

    divergent, contradictory, embellished fancies became widely circulated

    .

    WHY? If there was only one real and true Jesus who only did real and true things---why so many contradictory tales about him?

    It is far more likely that each group who wanted or needed Jesus to fit a certain preconception model jumped at the chance to BRAND their beliefs

    as THE JESUS. THEIR JESUS.

    By the time Constantine came along and Paul had a chance to embroider the Platonic ideal into the historical shadows of Judiasm--there were a

    hundred brands of JESUS and stories to match them!

    What Constantine and the power of Rome were able to achieve was the certain destruction of competing forms of Christianity by Edict,

    excommunication and the power of banishment.

    Think of our own day and age if it suddenly became illegal to be anything Christian UNLESS you were a Baptist. All other bible translations but one

    burned? All other churches prohibited? Think of the riots and mob violence! This is the ACTUAL history of early Christianity!!

    In the marketplace of religious fancies, the Brand that could wipe out the competitor was more likely to prevail.

    With the burning of competing Gospels and the banishing of so-called heretics---Christianity was fused into a single (bifurcated!) orthodoxy of

    Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox until a thousand years passed and Martin Luther came along.

    With the advent of Protestantism--the whole fracture and retelling started all over again.

    The result is every denomination of Christianity we have now.

    Walk into any Christian Bookstore and look at all the varieties of retelling and the CONTINUING REBRANDING of the Jesus image. Crafted, shaped,

    retold to fit present day needs and tastes.

    It never seems to end.

    Such is the power of myth. It fits today by changing yesterday into a more serviceable model.

    Your perspective has been shaped your entire life by your daily encounters and your indoctrinations.

    What seems "normal" and acceptable to you is not YOUR RESEARCH and IDEAS. It is second-hand ever present backwash.

    Your association with Jehovah's Witnesses and your disappointments have also shaped this view of who/what Jesus was and what you may need

    him to be (or not be).

    Is it possible--ever--to escape our perspective?

    Can we get a fresh and objective start on looking at Jesus, Christianity, other religions, or religion itself? Or, are we doomed to recycle variants,

    opinions, hearsays and prejudices parading as Truth??

    Are you still in the market for your own PERSONAL Jesus? Or, can you start from scratch about the entire concept?

    Can you give up on a modern, 21st Century version of the Jewish Messiah cum Christian superhero?

    Jehovah's Witnesses are stuck with a RETURNED Jesus sitting on the throne for NINETY-SIX YEARS without doing a damned thing for anybody!

    They are victims of their perspective.

    America's Evangelicals are stuck with a COMING-SOON Jesus who is going to rapture them into heaven.

    CAN YOU ESCAPE the Jesus trap? Or are you mucked down like a dinosaur who wandered into a Tar Pit?

  • JWoods
    JWoods

    There is that logical construct called the "Man from Mars" argument:

    You set aside some personally held belief or theory for a moment - and ask yourself:

    "If a Man from Mars (who had never heard of this) came down here and was told it - would he believe it, or would he think it was ridiculous?"

    I think it helped me talk myself out of some pretty stupid ideas (and not all of them JW ideas) in the past.

  • Terry
    Terry

    In acting class you have a chance to inhabit the mindset of "other" and filter what you see and hear through (what is to you) alien sensibility.

    I think it would be instructive if we each set aside one hour per day in which we pretend to be an alien who has never visited Earth before.

    We would have no preconceived ideas about culture, history, customs or beliefs.

    Our only commonality would be that we speak English and look human.

    Try it!

  • THE GLADIATOR
    THE GLADIATOR

    Not all brands of Christianity are the same. Please choose carefully and find one that suits you.

    They all claim to remove the stains of sin but some brands of Christianity will wash your robe whiter than others. Some gentler brands will not irritate your skin and are kinder to the spiritual environment. The best of them have a built in softener that will make a robe feel soft and comforting to the most sensitive person.

  • Mall Cop
    Mall Cop

    Yes it is possible to escape our own perspective. For example: When we study the history of the Watchtower, we would never accept a Bible study from the witnesses. When you don't study the history of the Watchtower, you eagerly study with the witnesses thinking that you will get that "Carrot", everlasting life.

    For those of us who have spent years ( myself 33 years ) with the perspective that we have all the answers and a corner on the truth. There comes a time ( for me 2002 ) when something happens personally to you that causes you to inspect more closely, question your own perspective about your belief system and where you are receiving your information and knowledge of those beliefs from.

    It takes honest introspection to escape our own perspective of what we once thought was true for ourselves. i.e. Watchtower experience, it is possible to escape.

    Blueblades

  • Terry
    Terry

    Years and years after I left the Society I was still a JW in my head. I could only filter things through my indoctrinations.

    Is that just me?

  • BurnTheShips
  • THE GLADIATOR
    THE GLADIATOR

    I don't think we can ever escape our own perspective, because in the instant we do, it is no longer our perspective. We will always be bound by our own perspective but we can alter it, at a pace that we can cope with, that does not shatter our security or the balance of our mind.

    It is a long, never ending process, that requires honesty; also a desire for truth that is greater than our desire for the comfort that delusion brings. No one can do this for us. We can accept help but attempts to make someone change are usually counter productive.

    Anyhow - That is my own perspective.

  • mindmelda
    mindmelda

    If you ever watch the science fiction series "Battlestar Galatica" the new version, they have a universe where there is religion, but no Christ or Christianity.

    They do a good job of it, but humans have always had some sort of religion, so I've never seen any sort of alternate universe or earth parallel fiction where there was total elimination of spiritual or religious thought unless the future represented is a repressive, dark and dystopian one.

    It's interesting that the only way you can completely eliminate religion or spiritually oriented discussion, belief or philosophy among humans is by some sort of totalitarian repression.

    It's just one of those things that you have to allow in a free society, no matter how much it might grind your gears individually. It's called tolerance. I don't think a society has to tolerate violence or crime, or dangerous propaganda in the name or religion, though. That's crossing a line where tolerance doesn't apply any more, criminals give up their right to be tolerated by violating certain generally accepted social rules.

  • mindmelda
    mindmelda

    The reason that therapists don't treat themselves is that it's generally thought that it's not possible to completely disengage and be objective enough to do so.

    We can be objective ENOUGH to be logical, when necessary but we're not constructed psychologically to be totally able to step outside of ourselves.

    Self interest is too important of a survival trait, for one thing. We're all born totally self involved, and that lessens as we mature enough for us to care for others and display social cooperation, but people who are too self sacrificing (masochistic) and self-disinterested (depression is manifested this way, for example) are considered psychologically unbalanced or even ill.

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