Any person without the mark will be executed? (page 2)

man in black

marked for future use,

Thanks for the postings !

Olin Moyles Ghost

I'm going to bump this under-appreciated thread. The Ezekiel 9 doctrine is clear proof that, according to the WTS, you must be a JW in order to have a chance at surviving Armageddon.

As others have pointed out, many JWs do not believe that you must be a JW to survive Armageddon. I never believed that. It is incompatible with the JW teaching that The End is right around the corner (what about the 2-3 BILLION people who have had no shot at the WTS message?!). If The End really is imminent, and you must be a baptized JW to survive Armageddon, then God is partial. Under this doctrine, the WTS must think God HATES Chinese, Arabs, Hindu Indians, and North Koreans!

Really, the whole idea of The End being imminent throws a wrench into JW theology. It requires the JW to hold incompatible beliefs, no matter what the WTS doctrine on salvation is.

If you must be a JW to survive Armageddon, which is imminent, then (as noted above) God is incredibly partial and arbitrary. This is contrary to WTS and Bible teachings that "God is not partial" and "God is love."
If you don't have to be a JW to survive Armageddon (b/c God and Jesus can read hearts), then the JW "preaching work" is a waste of time and busywork. If this is the case, then who cares whether someone converts; the thing that matters is heart condition.

Of course, if the WTS stopped beating the End Times drum, then this problem would go away. Of course, if the WTS stops beating the End Times drum, there will be less growth and less (fear-based) motivation to engage in the proselytizing work. So the WTS has painted itself into a theological corner. Fortunately for the WTS, most JWs don't think about such things. And those that do rationalize it using "wait on Jehovah" and similar thought-stopping techniques.

PSacramento

If God is all knowing, why does he need a Mark or sign to know who is to be saved or killed?

Terry

ldrnomo

So the WTS has painted itself into a theological corner. Fortunately for the WTS, most JWs don't think about such things. And those that do rationalize it using "wait on Jehovah" and similar thought-stopping techniques.

I love bringing this issue of people being destroyed up to jdubs when I can. I love to watch them try to skirt around the belief. One of the things I mention is the rate of the world's population growth compared to the rate of jdub growth and I point out to them that every day God waits more people will die at Armageddon. It is a great source of cognitive dissonance for people who are not supposed to want anyone to die at Armageddon.

Mad Sweeney

Excellent point. The world population grows by around 205,000 a day. How many new JWs are there every day? A couple hundred maybe. So you're looking at over a million additional Armageddon victims every week. Makes the delay seem more bloodthirsty than merciful, doesn't it?

Caedes

Good point, marking for later use.

Heaven

I love bringing this issue of people being destroyed up to jdubs when I can. I love to watch them try to skirt around the belief. One of the things I mention is the rate of the world's population growth compared to the rate of jdub growth and I point out to them that every day God waits more people will die at Armageddon.

ldrnomo... this was one of the things that always bothered me when I was younger. I could never reconcile in my mind how the JWs could possibly be getting their message out to all the people of the world so that they had a chance at surviving Armageddon. The math just didn't compute then and it still doesn't compute today.

booby

*** w08 7/15 p. 6 par. 14 The House-to-House Ministry-Why Important Now? ***
As important as the preservation of human life is, there is a far greater reason for preaching from house to house

read the wt info and we see this whole preaching thing takes an even odder twist. the preaching actually has less to do with saving lives as making jehovah feel good.

*** w08 7/15 p. 6 par. 14 The House-to-House Ministry-Why Important Now? ***
Rendering "a sacrifice of praise" to Jehovah is our foremost reason for preaching publicly and from house to house.-Heb. 13:15.

donny

Do birth marks count? I have one of those.

Donny

Any person without the mark will be executed?

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