Are the Ten Commandments still in force?

by wannabe 26 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • freydo
    freydo

    The law was only a restatement of instructions that had been given in generations past that had been lost due to captivity in Egypt. Those righteous standards have always applied as God does not change. Man was made in his image and likeness, thus knowing right from wrong. When corruption became a total abomination, Yahweh, decreed destruction on Jew and heathen alike. We now are approaching Pentecost that has a number of very significant events attached to it. Granted it's not in the 10 rules, but neither was Passover. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shavuot

    The Law never went away just because Messiah fulfilled it, except where his blood replaced that of animals. We are still to hallow God's name, and it's not Jehovah or the LORD. And we are to keep HIS Sabbaths and time schedule - because that's what he goes by - not Pope Gregory. As for the rest of the 10, "don't do this that or the other" - there's nothing terribly unique in that virtually all religion teaches morality.

    Interesting that virtually all who call themselves Christian and claim to follow the 10 Commandments - seem to ignore the correct pronunciation of his name and Messiah's and his Sabbaths. And those who claim to keep the law(Jews) - reject Messiah.

  • Inkie
    Inkie

    Freydo, you write:

    “The law was only a restatement of instructions that had been given in generations past that had been lost due to captivity in Egypt.”

    And you know this how? And even if so, what of it? And when the “instructions” were originally given, to whom were they given prior to the event at Mt. Sinai? Which generations past? And to whom?

    “Those righteous standards have always applied as God does not change.”

    I agree that God (who He is and what He is and the kind of person He is) does not change. “Righteous standards” as you say, can change. This doesn’t mean that they ever become ‘unrighteous standards’ only that God has better things in store for those who love Him. He (God) can and has changed His mind from time to time. This is even written in the Torah, is it not?

    “Man was made in his image and likeness,”

    You are mistaken, Freydo, Adam and Eve, the first human pair—in their perfection/sinlessness—were “made in his (God’s) image.” The rest of us—all humanity—since their sin and fall, were made in Adam’s sinful image. You know this, yes?

    “thus knowing right from wrong.”

    Hmm . . . interesting. Even the Christ in his pre-human and human existence had to “learn” right from wrong—accept the good and reject the bad. And you say Adam and Eve didn’t have to “learn”—they just knew from the get go? Interesting.

    “When corruption became a total abomination,”

    And when did this occur? Please define what you mean by “corruption” and “abomination.”

    “Yahweh, decreed destruction on Jew and heathen alike.”

    What are you talking about? Please be specific. When did He do this and why?

    “We now are approaching Pentecost that has a number of very significant events attached to it.”

    These “significant events,” what are they? And what is your point?

    “Granted it's not in the 10 rules, but neither was Passover.”

    Again, what is your point?

    “The Law never went away just because Messiah fulfilled it,”

    Did I say that it did?

    “except where his blood replaced that of animals.”

    A very good thing, yes?

    “We are still to hallow God's name,”

    Absolutely, Yes!

    “and it's not Jehovah or the LORD.”

    True.

    “And we are to keep HIS Sabbaths”

    And do you know how He wants the Sabbath kept? Pray tell.

    “As for the rest of the 10, "don't do this that or the other" - there's nothing terribly unique in that virtually all religion teaches morality.”

    And again, your point is?

    “Interesting that virtually all who call themselves Christian and claim to follow the 10 Commandments”

    Freydo, it is interesting, isn’t it. Christians ought to know that Christ fulfilled the law—as you yourself have stated above—and thus have entered into a new covenant (making the old covenant obsolete) containing new laws (making the old laws obsolete) written upon their hearts and not on stone tablets. As I’m sure you know, most people claiming to BE Christian are not, simply because they have not received an “anointing” that makes such person an anointed one.

    May Jah be praised!

  • freydo
    freydo

    Perhaps you can show in Scripture where the apostles and disciples stopped following the Torah.

    Matthew 5:19 - "Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

    Heb 10:26-27 "If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God."

  • Inkie
    Inkie

    Well, Freydo, what is interesting here is that you did not even answer one question I have asked of you. I wonder why that is. Nevertheless, I shall endeavor to answer YOUR query.

    Perhaps you can show in Scripture where the apostles and disciples stopped following the Torah.

    Before I answer your question, permit to preface my response with the following:

    According to the biblical text, the prophet Jeremiah stated in chapter 31, verse 31, the following:

    “Look! There are days coming, “is the utterance of Jehovah, “and I will conclude with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant; not one like the covenant that I concluded with their forefathers in the day of my taking hold of their hand to bring them forth out of the land of Egypt, which covenant of mine they themselves broke . . . . For this is the covenant that I shall conclude with the house of Israel after those days,” is the utterance of Jehovah. “I will put my law within them, and in their heart I shall write it. And I will become their God, and they themselves will become my people.”

    Does not this imply that there is going to be a doing away with the old covenant, replaced by a new one? I think it does. I think it does.

    The writer of Hebrews even quotes the above at Hebrews 8:8-12. However, the writer of Hebrews goes even further than what the prophet Jeremiah stated. He wrote at Hebrews 8:7, the following:

    For if that first covenant had been faultless, no place would have been sought for a second. . . . Interesting.

    But notice what he writes in verse 13:

    In his saying “a new covenant” he has made the former one obsolete.”

    Obsolete! Wow! Do you get that? The new covenant, which Christ instituted, replaces the old covenant—the old covenant has become obsolete. Continue, if you will with Hebrews 9:1. It’s called the “former covenant.” Read verse 15. Do you get the importance? Hebrews 10:8, 9 states: “You did not want nor did you approve of sacrifices and offerings and whole burnt offerings and sin offerings—sacrifices that are offered according to the Law . . . . He does away with what is first that he may establish what is second.”

    Do you need more explanation, Freydo?

    The writer of the letter to the Colossians writes: “Let no man judge you in eating and drinking or in respect to a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a Sabbath. . . .” Yes, not even of a Sabbath!

    Paul writes in Romans 10: 4: “For Christ is the end of the Law….” He writes in Galatians 4:10: “You are scrupulously observing days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that somehow I have toiled to no purpose respecting you.”

    At Hebrews 7:12, the writer states: “For since the priesthood is being changed, there comes to be of necessity a change also of the law.” Verse 18 states: “Certainly, then, there occurs a setting aside of the preceding commandment on account of its weakness and ineffectiveness.” Verse 22: “Jesus has become the one given in pledge of a better covenant.”

    Now, in answer to your last question, you might read Acts 10:9-15. Things were a changing, including the laws of the old covenant and here in Acts Peter acknowledges those changes. Do you think he taught the changes from that point forward?

    You, Freydo, quote:

    Matthew 5:19 - "Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

    You must remember, Freydo, that at the time Christ made the above statement, the Law was still in force because Christ had not yet died and with his dying nailed the Law covenant to the torture stake. So up until his death, the Mosaic law had to be obeyed in every jot and tittle.

    Heb 10:26-27 "If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God."

    Now that the law has been fulfilled and is out of the way for Christians, where there is no law there is no sin. You know this, right?

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Archaeology reveals (I know, I already lost your desire to follow this response) that the Jews did not come about the way the Bible says.

    I assert that NOBODY ever ever ever, as a large group of people, lived under the Law.

    They were never in force.

  • freydo
    freydo

    Heb 8:10 "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind,"

    What laws?

    Matthew 5:18"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

    Last time I checked, heaven and earth are still here and all obviously has not been fulfilled.

    Heb 7:12,18 "For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.....The former regulation is set aside"

    That doesn't make all of God's laws obsolete. It makes salvation possible for those of faith who keep the law that's written in their minds.

  • freydo
    freydo

    Romans 3:31 - "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    The Law was fullfileld in Jesus, it doesn't mean they don't apply anymore, it means that they are no longer rules as much as they are "facts".

    In other words, for those that live in Christ and Christ in them, the Law is fulfilled, which means that they LAw is kept, not because it is the LAw and rules to be obeyed, but because people, filled with Christs love and Grace, become the Law "personified".

    EX: We don't murder because itis against the Law, we don't murder because Love(God) lives in Us and we in Love(God) and thus the law is fullfilled.

  • Terry
    Terry

    those that live in Christ and Christ in them, the Law is fulfilled, which means that they LAw is kept, not because it is the LAw and rules to be obeyed, but because people, filled with Christs love and Grace, become the Law "personified"
    .

    "Do you ever thinkabout what you think about?" (Spencer Tracy to Fredrick March, INHERIT THE WIND)

    Jesus was accused of breaking the Sabbath. Did he?

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