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by Lionel_P_Hartley 41 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • Lionel_P_Hartley
    Lionel_P_Hartley

    Stephen Bates recently wrote an article about the flogging death of a girl in Chicago http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4301026,00.html

    He kindly sent me a copy of a letter he received from the WTS office in Pennsylvania and gave me permission to post it. I don't have time to fix the formatting right now.

    Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania
    25 Columbia Heights,
    Brooklyn,
    New York
    Phone: 718 560-5000

    December 14 2001

    Emily Bell
    Editor in Chief, Guardian Unlimited (ie: our electronic website)
    3-7 Ray Street,
    London EC1R 3DR

    Dear Ms Best (sic!),

    In the United States, the Guardian has regularly been regarded as a
    source of
    reliable news. I have been among those who considered the information
    in the
    Guardian to be fair and unbiased. Our international journals, Awake!
    and The
    Watchtower quote from it extensively. Sadly, my opinion has been
    changed as a
    result of the coverage given to a subject that I am quite familiar with
    -
    Jehovah's Witnesses.

    The last piece written about Jehovah's Witnesses, by Stephen Bates,
    repeated a
    story on a tragic incident in Chicago, Illinois, in which the parents
    of an 11
    year-old girl were charged with causing her death (November 17 2001,
    "Devout
    couple accused of flogging daughter to death") We checked with our
    office in
    London and found out that no one contacted them for the facts of the
    story
    before the piece was run. We have no record of anyone contacting our
    office here
    in Brooklyn, New York, either. We feel that Mr Bates gave insufficient
    attention
    to facts and put more emphasis on sensationalism. Had Mr Bates
    inquired, he
    would have been supplied with a relevant statement given by the uncle
    of the
    victim who wished to set matters straight after seeing inaccurate
    reports in the
    media, some of which were repeated in the Guardian's November 17
    article. We are
    enclosing a copy of that statement for your information.

    I am writing you to call this matter to your attention in the hope
    that the
    normal, high standards of the Guardian will extend to the coverage of
    Jehovah's
    Witnesses.

    Sincerely,

    J. R. Brown
    Director
    Office of Public Information for Jehovah's Witnesses

    The attachment is a four paragraph statement by Leon Slack, dated
    November 16 in
    which he contests the "false impression" that the horrible events on
    November 10
    were the result of his brother Larry Slack following the beliefs of
    JWs:

    "In
    fact, nothing could be further from the truth. I am a father myself;
    and I am
    also one of Jehovah's Witnesses, as are other members of our family.
    None of us
    could ever even imagine doing such a thing to any of our children no
    matter what
    we thought they did wrong.

    "Larry and Constance Slack were not devout Jehovah's Witnesses as some
    reports
    said. Larry has not been a practicing (sic) Witness for Jehovah for
    many years.
    He was baptised as...a teenager many years ago. For the last 10 years
    they have
    not shared in our worship services, although there were a few
    relatively short
    time periods that they would sporadically show up at meetings with the
    congregation.

    "It was the hope of the family and the local congregational members
    that he
    and his family would actually practice the faith...as this could help
    them just
    as it helps many people in a spiritual way. But...he fervently insisted
    on not
    being pressured in that regard and we respected his decision. We have
    no idea
    what was going on in his head that made him capable of doing this to
    Laree.

    "On the other hand, something I appreciate about being one of
    Jehovah's
    Witnesses is that we abhor all violent actions and behaviour. Life is
    sacred to
    us. To physically harm, abuse or kill others is diametrically opposed
    to the
    Bible principles we believe in and strive to practice. Among the
    qualities we
    study about in the Bible and are strongly encouraged to inculcate in
    our
    everyday family lives are love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness,
    goodness,
    faith, mildness and self-control. We love our families and cherish our
    children,
    viewing them as an inheritance from God."

  • D wiltshire
    D wiltshire

    Well that's a fair statement by the WT.

    I notice they praise the Gardian for its fair reporting:

    Dear Ms Best (sic!),

    In the United States, the Guardian has regularly been regarded as a
    source of
    reliable news. I have been among those who considered the information
    in the
    Guardian to be fair and unbiased. Our international journals, Awake!
    and The
    Watchtower quote from it extensively. Sadly, my opinion has been
    changed as a
    result of the coverage given to a subject that I am quite familiar with Jehovah's Witnesses.

    I wounder why they haven't mentioned the UN-WT affair articles of the Guardian as being unfair?

    If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
  • Lionel_P_Hartley
    Lionel_P_Hartley

    Here is Steve Bates's reply which he just faxed to WTS PA.

    Mr J. R. Brown,
    Director, Office of Public Information,
    Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania,
    25, Columbia Heights,
    Brooklyn,,
    New York 11201 - 2483
    USA

    Dear Mr Brown,

    Your letter of 14th December, addressed variously to my colleague Emily Bell, who edits the Guardian Unlimited website, and to someone called Ms Best, who I
    do not recognise, has been passed to me as I wrote the four paragraph story about the Slacks of Chicago last 17th November to which you took exception. I am not quite sure why it took you a month to respond but I thought I should at least reply to you.

    First of all, may I say that I am very flattered that you state that the Watchtower magazine and Awake! both quote so extensively from the fair and unbiased coverage provided by the Guardian. Since I do not normally see either publication, I would be most interested if you would care to send me cuttings of these articles, complete with the attributions since, as you know, it would be a breach of copyright to use our material without permission in your magazines. Your encomium is nevertheless welcome.

    Since my recent writings about the Jehovah's Witnesses have concerned its affiliation (and subsequent disaffiliation) from the United Nations, an organisation it refers to in its loving, joyful, peaceful, long-suffering and kindly way - to quote Mr Leon Slack - as the scarlet coloured beast of the Book of Revelation and since you clearly took no objection to the accuracy of these articles (otherwise we should presumably have received a letter from you) I
    sincerely trust that in the interests of accuracy and openness these too willhave appeared in your publications and I hope that this was so. I look forward to seeing them.

    My article did not imply that the couple acted as they did because they were Jehovah's Witnesses. It merely stated that they were devoutly religious and, separately, that they were Jehovah's Witnesses. Both these facts are true and not disputed by you or Mr Leon Slack. Since I assume your sect does not condone such appalling behaviour, I cannot see what your problem with the story is. It
    does not allege that this is normal behaviour by Jehovah's Witnesses or to be expected by them, so I am at a loss to explain your sensitivity or to see how you can justify the slur on my integrity by suggesting that the story in some unspecified way "gave insufficient attention to facts" in its brief four paragraphs.

    I have a confession to make, that in compiling my report on the case of the Slacks, taken from reports in the highly-regarded Chicago press, I did not trouble to contact either your London or your Brooklyn offices. The reason for this was that my experience of dealing with Mr Gillies over the United Nations issue has been that he believes fully in the Jehovah's Witnesses' stated "theocratic war strategy" by which it is permissible to mislead with half-truths and evasions "birdseed" such as we non-members of your sect. Since this is the experience of my colleagues in Britain also over the years, may I suggest to you, as director of the office of public information, that you may have a certain credibility problem in your dealings with the media at least in this country.

    In any event, I am not sure in a four paragraph article how much space could have been given to Mr Leon Slack's observations since, despite being a loving, joyful, peaceful, kindly, mild and self-controlled etc person he had evidently failed to spot previous episodes of mistreatment by his brother of his children,
    or to act upon them as he clearly should have done had he been aware of them.

    This suggests that his closeness to his brother's family and hence his knowledge of his brother's beliefs was not as thorough as it might have been. Perhaps you would care to respond to this.

    Yours sincerely,

    ********************

  • Dino
    Dino

    Thanks LPH.

    We appreciate your sharing.

    Stephen Bates has such a way of letting the WT know he has their number.

    It cracks me up!

    Dino

  • JanH
    JanH

    LOL. I just love the way Steve Bates writes his reply. British sarcasm at its best.

    The Guardian online is now added to my regular reading list!

    - Jan
    --

  • Sam Beli
    Sam Beli

    bttt

    Sam Beli

    I have seen all the works which have been done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and striving after wind. What is crooked cannot be straightened and what is lacking cannot be counted. Solomon

  • BobsGirl
    BobsGirl
    First of all, may I say that I am very flattered that you state that the Watchtower magazine and Awake! both quote so extensively from the fair and unbiased coverage provided by the Guardian. Since I do not normally see either publication, I would be most interested if you would care to send me cuttings of these articles, complete with the attributions since, as you know, it would be a breach of copyright to use our material without permission in your magazines. Your encomium is nevertheless welcome.

    This is priceless!!

    BobsGirl

    "May the work of your hands be a sign of gratitude and reverence to the human condition." - Mahatma Gandhi

  • alliwannadoislive
    alliwannadoislive

    i guess thats cutting edge journalism for you - excellent stuff - more plz ...

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    A wonderful, sarcastic, excrutiatingly polite letter that could only have been written by an Englishman.

    Excellent stuff!

    Bring on the dancing girls!

  • D wiltshire
    D wiltshire

    I'm 1/4 English why can't I write 1/4 as good as Stephen Bates?

    Sock it to em baby.

    If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?

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