I'm another Newbie

by MyMy 74 Replies latest jw friends

  • GoldDustWoman
    GoldDustWoman

    Excuse me, MyMy, but no one has even remotely tried to "prevent" you from making a difference. It is my sincere hope that you DO make a make a difference of grand proportions. If indeed you do, I will be the first to be on my feet applauding you. However, some of us have questions, and concerns, and they are reasonable considering some of the things that have happened here in the past.

    I am disappointed with the mob mentality of the other "meeting" thread. If one expresses doubts, they are called insulting names. "Doubters" (irony intended) if you will allow. They are taken to task because they express a dissenting opinion by those that claim to despise that very thing by the WTS.

    I did get a chance to converse with Danni last night in chat. I found her engaging and curious. She was also very responsive, and seem sincere, when answering my questions about this whole situation.I hope that her job is not in jeopardy. Being a police officer is not like having regular job. In many ways, they are NEVER off duty.

    So, I guess time will tell, eh?

    Andee

  • MyMy
    MyMy

    tyydyy Q: I have a couple of questions for you. Not necessarily to attack but to clarify for everyone here who may have some suspicions. If you are outing yourself then there should be no hesitation in your answers.

    First if you are serious I have no problem with answering your questions.

    As far as peoples to clarify suspisions, I could send a letter with my picture name, address, phone number and a taped conversation on it, it would not be enough for people. I am no longer a people pleaser. If you don't believe that's your choice. I don't have time to address everyones suspicions of me.

    Then you said

    have been a Jehovah's Witness for 22yrs. I married a woman a witness woman and the rest is history.
    Q: Now basic math......2002 - 22 yrs = 1980 How is it "we all got a visit" back in the '70s?

    That's correct. I married her before long before I was baptized. Back in that time they were not as strick as they are now about being unevenly yoke together. Just because I have only been a witness for 22 yrs doesn't mean I wasn't learning the GB doctrines. Yes I did go to the meeting with her but I wasn't so sure I wanted to be a JWS and besides that I was still smoking at the time. I was married to her long before I decided to take that step in baptism I met my wife in 63.

    Q: If you were in the main hall then how did you know what was said from the speakerphone? Who was on the speakerphone? (A pretty important piece of info that you left out) If you were in the back room, why didn't you mention that fact?

    I believe I already said before I was not in the back room. Everyone heard the conversation going on in that room it was loud enough for all to hear.

    I want to put in add some information Danni left out. Namely this: The phone number about Bill Bowen is (718)560-5000. Now there's a catch to getting the information . You have to prove where you are calling from and what congregation you are with. You have to give out your name and address. They will talk about Bill but, only answer certian questions they are covering their own asses. That's what they didn't tell you Danni. They are pulling your chain they knew you wouldn't call that number.
    From the conversation going on between them it was plain to see that Danni was a bit upset about him talking against Bill Bowen. Something she did not mention in her thread. Danni didn't know that was just a public number,but the number is familar to all Jws. They may have wanted her to call that number just to see where her mind was at and what other actions she was planning on taking but I doubt very much they were going to say anything against Bill. They were pulling her chain.

    Q:Why didn't you reveal your sources and add credibility for those you are asking to "join" with you? If you are willing to take the lead in this mass exit from the JW's then you should have no problem explaining these questions.

    I don't need to reveal my sources to people who are not serious about taking actions. There are many out there that just want to make trouble and nothing more. How many of you are going to speak out on the dateline speacial ? how many of you are going to just sit home and watch it? After all the hard work is finished want to share in the glory of it as if you took action. Just like plmkrzy has said, there are those out there that just want to play on other peoples pain. Look at the responses in here. Some came in here just to throw a couple of insults and leave.They have nothing positive to contribute no value to themselves or anyone else. If you are willing to share important information with people like that you are stupid.

    I did answer your question because I feel you sincerely wanted to some things cleared up but let me tell you this: I am not the type of man to waste my time ansewering fools that come in only to throw a couple of insults and run out.

    If you are serious let's talk if not, nothing lost, nothing gained.

  • MyMy
    MyMy

    I already said, I will answer and share important information with those that are serious. That would include their questions I just don't have time for anything else. If you are serious or just want serious questions answered do ask. Gold

    It's late I didn't get a chance to talk with the family. I do have to leave now. BBT

  • flower
    flower

    Where are all the so called insults that us "fools" have thrown at you MY MY??

    perhaps your real problem is that we 'arent' fools anymore. someone who blindly believes anything they are told is a fool..or under mind control.

    i dont know if you are telling the truth or not, could be. at this point with your arrogant and ignorant attitude, who gives a shit? i wouldnt want to be with you in any cause you take up just because as a person you are....lets just say, not very nice.

    flower

  • MyMy
    MyMy

    Cygnus As if the Watchtower is worried about people like Danni and MyMy, amateurs who can barely string two coherent sentences together

    Flower you must be blind and stupid if you didn't see that. Thanks for proving my point. If you don't want to join who gives a shit? have a good night see ya!!

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Hey Flower,it`s good you are expressing your opinion,but this thread seems to be causing you pain.Maybe leave it for a bit and check some other threads out.(((HUGS)))...OUTLAW

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Hey MyMy,Flower is a newbie here,and she`s had a rough time.Ease up dude...OUTLAW

  • flower
    flower

    actually i did see it my my, but since you said "Fool's" with an "S" i assumed you knew that that means more than one. Its what we who use the english language call "plural".

    yes you are right outlaw, i shouldnt have entered it (the thread) and i should have known when to leave it. i'm really sorry i didnt cause i hate the back and forth stuff when others do it and now i'm no better. just annoys me when people try to say they hate the org for what they do and then they act just like them. for once why cant someone ask a question or ask for proof without being ridiculed and treated like they dont have that right?

    anyway sorry and thanks, outlaw.

    flower
    leaving it now and not returning.

  • tyydyy
    tyydyy

    MyMy,

    I think I made it clear in my first post to you that I am serious about wanting to clarify these things for myself and others.

    Now, you seemed to have missed a couple of the questions.

    You did clarify the 70s issue a little and I'll leave that alone. Thanks.

    You still didn't answer the question about where you got the phone number. I have a hard time believing that you were in the main hall with over 200 others and heard the words of the conversation clearly much less the phone number over a speakerphone. Did you have your ear to the door? Just trying to clarify because it sounds a little "out there"

    but the number is familar to all Jws. They may have wanted her to call that number just to see where her mind was at and what other actions she was planning on taking but I doubt very much they were going to say anything against Bill. They were pulling her chain.
    The phone number about Bill Bowen is (718)560-5000. Now there's a catch to getting the information . You have to prove where you are calling from and what congregation you are with. You have to give out your name and address. They will talk about Bill but, only answer certian questions they are covering their own asses.
    I can and will double check that's not a problem. No reason to cry over it. I am sure that's the number they gave out, like I said I will double check it. Keep in mind Danni wouldn't know anything about the GB numbers.
    Ok look, you said gave detailed instructions on how to get info from this number but yet you were surprised that this was the number for the public information office. You also pointed out that all JWs would be familiar with that number. Which is it? Help me, man....

    I am very curious about the questions and answer session. What kind of questions were asked? Did the two families leave before the questions were asked? How did you know these guys were going to leave anyway. Did you speak to them about your feelings? Did you mention this website to them since you said that you've been coming here for months?

    Again. Don't get he wrong impression. I am not attacking you. I am merely asking some questions because these things are causing me to have some doubts. Help me out man. I am not your enemy.

    I am one of you "Peeps"

    TimB

  • seven006
    seven006

    Golddustwoman,

    I would first like to say that in the pervious thread you spoke of, I was one who came off as telling some who were skeptical to get off their computers and do something. I later came back and apologized and admitted that some anger developed in me and I was tired of answering emails on this issue. I made a mistake. I hope you read the post where I came back and admitted that. I think your questions and your attitude is very normal and needed. Because of what has happened on this board in the past you and everyone else has the right as well as the obligation to get to the absolute facts of any matter this serious. Your post in that thread as well as teejay's showed me where I was wrong and I greatly appreciate it. Please accept my personal apologia.

    Flower,

    I have read your posts and my heart genuinely goes out to you. I can see your anger and your frustration. It might be because of where you are presently at in your relationship with the JW religion that you feel the way you do. I can certainly understand that. Just as you have gone up and down on this very emotional and painful issue about learning some true and disturbing things about the religion Mark may not understand where you are coming from and he may see your comments a little different from what they are. If you can take the time to understand his perspective, he might be able to reciprocate on yours. Those who know a little bit more about where you are coming from will certainly understand your comments. I don't think Mark realizes exactly where you are in your life and what has possibly made you feel the way you do. It's just something to think about.

    Mark,

    This is the third post that I have tried to put up in this thread. Every time I go to post my comments another poser covers what I was going to post. I, (just as many here have been) am one of Danni's biggest supporters. The last few days I have been consumed by this issue. I do have some information that many on this board do not have. When information is held back for any reason it can sometimes cause some skepticism on this board and it can also make for some hurt feelings and controversy.

    Before I went to post my first draft tyydyy asked some excellent questions and I held up on posting my comments. Because of the information I have that is not public on this board I had a fairly good idea of what your explanations might be. I came back to ask you to please keep in mind the comments tyydyy made in that the way of asking his questions was not an attack but mainly to clear up a few things that did not seem to add up. Your answers were fairly close to what I thought they might be. Some of the information you presented in your first post matched what I knew to be true but no one else did. In an issue as controversial and important as this one it is crucial for all the pieces to fit. In my estimation your pieces fit and I am very happy to see that.

    I would like to ask you to keep a few things in mind. Most of the people on this board are incredibly great people. Most of them have gone through hell and come to this board for various reasons. Most still have families in the religion that they are not allowed to associate with because of the JW police on disfellowshipping. This has cause some incredible pain and it can definitely skew a persons perspective on things and also make them not see things as rationally as they would like to.

    Also, there are those who come to this board who are still JW's and are hell bent on causing trouble. Please do not assume that they are the same as those who are simply asking questions. If you stick around long enough you will see the difference. A lot of people on this board have been fooled before by those who claim to be sympathetic with our issues but are really here to cause trouble. Danni found that out fairly quickly. Without having any history on this board it will be almost impossible for you to tell the difference between those who are sincere and those who are not. Everyone has made that mistake including me.

    This board is not an easy place to get adjusted too and see everyone as they actually are. The watchtower monitors this board on a regular basis. This board is one of the biggest pains in the ass to the watchtower. The people here have done some incredible things to expose the watchtower's bullshit and they will continue to do that. Some who post here do not want to fight any more, they are just too tired of the shit they have had to deal with and they just want a place to come and talk to people who know where they are coming from. Until you have been out of the religion for a while, that may be hard for you to understand. Please give it some time and please try to understand that everyone here is at a different place in the healing process and their level of anger for what they have had to endure.

    If I can help you in any way please let me know. You nave my email address.

    On a personal note, I am glad as hell you did what you did and you came here to share it with us. Within time, I think most of the skeptics will have their questions answered and you will see how great these people really are.

    Take care

    Dave

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