Are there any scholars in the society?

by sleepy 17 Replies latest jw friends

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Sleepy, I agree with pretty much everything you said. The Society has a few true scholars associated with it, in the sense of what people normally think of as accredited scholars, and they have a number of people associated who are experts in certain fields, such as Neo-Babylonian history. But because they all buy into the "faithful slave who speaks for God" doctrine, their scholarship is bastardized into something that merely supports pre-existing Watchtower teachings. These scholars certainly hold private beliefs, and because the Society explicitly allows them to discuss "contrary opinions" because JW leaders have assigned them to do so, these "contrary opinions" are sometimes thrown out onto the table of discussion. But often the "contrary opinions", even though factual, are ignored by the leaders for any number of reasons, and so the scholars are forced to shut up or be booted out. So I would have to say that most JW scholars -- and there are precious few -- have prostituted their minds to the Society.

    I had a discussion some years ago with the Society's resident scholar on Neo-Babylonian history. We discussed the fact that the Society (and of course he) was unable to reconcile the clear statements in Jeremiah 25:11, 12 with the rest of their ideas. Of course, these statements are quite unarguable, and that's why they won't discuss them, because they kill the 1914 chronology quite effectively. I asked him how a good Witness should view the fact that the Bible itself contradicts JW teachings here. All he could say was, "Wait on Jehovah". All I could think was, "You hypocritical intellectual prostitute!"

    AlanF

  • sleepy
    sleepy

    I am thinking of writing another letter soon and may include this.
    I do hope there are some thinker in there somewhere who are just on the verge of doing a Franz .
    But anyone who knows its wrong and still goes along probably lacks the emotional strenght to leave.Or maybe they are doing work from the inside and don't want their cover blown.
    It could just be that there is no one high up in the org who a free thinker as how would you get into that position in the first place especialy after the Franz fiasco without being ultraloyal.

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Alan is correct,

    When a person loses objectivity they cease to become a 'scholar'.

    Every WTS researcher and writing member has an agenda and it is not the promotion of objectivity but the re-inforcing of a perverted mental regime. Control is their objective, not knowledge.

    So I would confidentally argue that the WTS has no true scholars.

    HS

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    What we have, ladies and gentlemen, is an oxymoron.

    Jehovah's Witness Scholars

    If we refer to biblical, historical, and scientific fields, if is safe the say that the requirements for being a scholar - as mentioned before, objectivity being quite essential - and the requirements of being a JW (acceptance of GB as last word), are almost always mutualy exclusive.

    People living in glass paradigms shouldn't throw stones...

  • Valis
    Valis

    This is an age old phenomenon, where scholars are scholarly and the church bastardizes that work to thier own end. I think there is a fine line between what is scholarly and the unscrupulous use and abuse of symantics/biblical verse to uphold ones views. I'm sure there are many at the WT who believe themselves to be bible scholars and that's all good and fine, but even scholars can't keep thier head in the books all the time, while people are being villified and shunned all around them.

  • drahcir yarrum
    drahcir yarrum

    I am asking an honest question here and not being argumentative. Does anyone know of a respected Bible scholar either at WTS HQ or in the JW populace at large. I'm referring to someone with a PhD in the field of "ancient civilizations", "biblical languages", "Jewish history" or any other related endeavor of study? Are there, among JW's any respected writers of published and accepted works on these subjects? If there are, I for one would be interested in knowing who they are.

    Students of Comparative Religion in the University of Phoenix online programs don't count. Sorry!

    "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son." Dean Vernon Wormer, Faber College

  • sleepy
    sleepy

    If what Alan says is right and some are allowed to have think contrary thoughts while others can only accept what they are taught is this not the dividing of the org into distinct class.
    Soon we will have bishops and popes.
    Soon? how about now.
    Ok so there is not an all controling head now put as a group arent the governing body like the pope, there power is past on by the previous generation.Their power can be trased to Russell instead of paul.We have the district and circiut overseers who are like the Bishops and the publishers like the hoveling masses.
    Jehovahs witness have developed just like the early church.

  • Preston
    Preston

    My presiding overseer once told me that F.W. Franz knew more about blood than anyone else in the World (I know, I know) but I thought that statement was fasciating when I heard it as a teenager in the congregation. Isn't it also true that many doctors have traveled long distances to hear him speak? Just a thought...

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