by theMadJW 309 Replies latest jw friends
Mad,
So, you believe that Michael could become lower than angels in the spirit realm? How could a chief angel become lower than his counterparts? We are certainly lower than angels, but we never were angels, so there is no comparison. We never were in a higher spirit realm. Jesus becomes lower than the angels because he take on humanity, not because he ceases to be what he was before. It is in his humanity that he chooses to limit himself, not in what he was before he came to earth.
1 Cor. 15:50 "Flesh and blood" stands for perishable, corrupt, weak, sinful human beings. Paul's final argument about the resurrection of the body is that God's redeemed people must have newly organized, imperishable bodies to live with him.
Jesus' body at his resurrection was glorified. Transformation does not mean cessation. His spiritual body, as ours will be in the twinkling of an eye, although physical, was imperishable, without corruption, and adaptable to live with God forever (Php. 3:21). Our bodies will be similar to Christ's resurrected, glorified physical body (Lk. 24:36-43)
Jesus was SEEN by the apostles for 40 days after his resurrection. His body was not dissolved as JW's maintain. It was not an invisible spirit that they saw ascend into heaven. Read Acts 1:1-11
Does that make Jesus a zombie as you claim?
Jesus never said his body was flesh and blood - he said it was flesh and bone - to Thomas at Luke 24:38, 39.
1 Timothy 2:5 says: "There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all."
Not Michael, not a spirit, not a zombie - The man Christ Jesus.
Yes, Garyneal- for obviouslyall you can do is ridicule those who eventually climbed out of the cesspooll known as CHURCHianity!
Kenneson tries his HARDEST to dance around the simple fact that Jesus speaks as Archangel...or ONE of them...heh
Here we go again!-
1- Notice how he destroys his own question WITHIN the question; its BREATHTAKING! heh "So, you believe that Michael could become lower than angels in the spirit realm? How could a chief angel become lower than his counterparts? We are certainly lower than angels, but we never were angels, so there is no comparison."
2- He uses church pyschobabble (flowery phrases & concepts found NOWHERE in the Bible)- " Jesus becomes lower than the angels becausehe takes on humanity, not because he ceases to be what he was before. It is in his humanity that he chooses to limit himself, not in what he was before he came to earth." AGAIN destroying his own premise. He doesn't "cease" being what he was before, yet "limits" himself. He "takes on" humanity- what the Hell ("Hades" for those shocked with the word) does THAT mean? Has Kenneson given up humanity?
3-" "Flesh and blood" stands for perishable, corrupt, weak, sinful human beings." Hmmmm! So flesh and blood doesn't MEAN flesh and blood- thus the Holy Ghost God, Daddy God, and Jesusthe Zombie- God are are beings of flesh and blood? Angels, too? Do they have Denny's up there?
4- All Acts one tells us is that he rose and was IMMEDIATELY hid from sight. Acts1:9- After Jesus had said this and while they were watching, he was taken up into a cloud. They could not see him. - CEV
5- He confirms he thinks Jesus a Zombie-God: " Jesus never said his body was flesh and blood - he said it was flesh and bone - to Thomas at Luke 24:38, 39."
6- Then several contadictions at in one statement: " 1 Timothy 2:5 says: "There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all."
There are Three God-Persons the trinity Dogma tries to say is only "One"...so is Zombie Jesus God a mediator to Himself or just the other Two? Did all Three die in that human body, since they are "one"? Since they are "one" are they Mediators to Themselves?
7- "Not Michael, not a spirit, not a zombie - The man Christ Jesus."
A 'man' with no blood (zombie) in Heaven. The Pinnacle of gullibility! Makes NO sense, and contradicts all scripture.
Ignored:
When becoming a man, the son was GIVEN the name Jesus. He had one BEFORE. And he returns SPEAKING as Archangel. Wonder what that name could have BEEN!!!
So, PS, do you think Jesus had the authority of ONE of them?
More than, since they were ALL created THROUGH Jesus.
For he DOES speak with the Authority (voice) of Archangel.
Which one?
Yes, Garyneal- for obviouslyall you can do is ridicule those who eventually climbed out of the cesspooll known as CHURCHianity!
So your saying that the Finished Mystery is not an official Watchtower publication?
dear Hadit...
you said: " God is all alone. He is love and wants to share that love"...
...love needs an object of affection to begin with...love is an emotional response...how could God be alone and love nothing and no one?
...love was generated between the members of the God-head...God is love...and then He created...
love michelle
Mad for christs sake you comments to Garyneal are f*(k1n9 ridiculous. He has quoted from one of your own books and and you dismiss. I now know you are completely stupid, before I thought you were just a wind up merchant.
