Churchill ordered UFO cover-up, don't pee in yer pants WAC

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  • Dogpatch
    Dogpatch

    Just think how religious doctrine would change if we had irrefutable proof of aliens visiting earth. An even greater mental holocaust would occur if an alien's body was found.

    Now, 30 years ago I would not have thought TOO much of it, but the potential reality now is a tad frightening!

    Aside from many new jobs created for theologians on staff at major Bible colleges, (I have candidates in mind!), many people besides What-A-Coincidence would get UBER EXCITED!

    So these are my questions to you:

    1. How would belief in God for many people change?

    2. Would religious belief become LESS, more, or stay the same, and why?

    3. Would we exploit the aliens if they were still alive? (optional, G-rated please)

    Dogpatch

    5 August 2010 Last updated at 00:20 ET

    Churchill ordered UFO cover-up, National Archives show

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10853905

    The government took the threat of UFOs so seriously in the 1950s that UK intelligence chiefs met to discuss the issue, newly-released files show.

    Ministers even went on to commission weekly reports on UFO sightings from a committee of intelligence experts.

    The papers also include a wartime account claiming prime minister Winston Churchill ordered a UFO sighting be kept secret to prevent "mass panic".

    The files show reports of UFOs peaked in 1996 - when The X Files was popular.

    The Joint Intelligence Committee is better known for providing briefings to the government on matters relating to security, defence and foreign affairs.

    But the latest batch of UFO files released from the Ministry of Defence to the National Archives shows that, in 1957, the committee received reports detailing an average of one UFO sighting a week.

    The files also include an account of a wartime meeting attended by Winston Churchill in which, it is claimed, the prime minister was so concerned about a reported encounter between a UFO and RAF bombers, that he ordered it be kept secret for at least 50 years to prevent "mass panic".

    X Files

    Nick Pope, who used to investigate UFO sightings for the MoD, said: "The interesting thing is that most of the UFO files from that period have been destroyed.

    "But what happened is that a scientist whose grandfather was one of his [Churchill's] bodyguards, said look, Churchill and Eisenhower got together to cover up this phenomenal UFO sighting, that was witnessed by an RAF crew on their way back from a bombing raid.

    "The reason apparently was because Churchill believed it would cause mass panic and it would shatter people's religious views."

    Reports of sightings of UFOs peaked in 1996 in the UK - when science fiction drama The X Files was popular.

    According to the files, there were more than 600 reports in 1996, compared with an average of 240 in the previous five years.

    The figures for 1996 show 609 reported sightings of unidentified flying objects, 343 letters from the public to the MoD's UFO desk and 22 enquiries and questions from MPs.

    But by 2009, the MoD's UFO inquiry desk -Sec(AS)2 - had been closed down.

    The 18 files released on Thursday are the latest to come out as part of a three-year project between the MoD and the National Archives.

    Dr David Clarke, a UFO consultant to the National Archives, explained why the papers are being made public now.

    Dr Clarke told the BBC: "Since the Freedom of Information Act arrived in 2005, this subject - UFOs - have become the third-most popular subject for people to write to the Ministry of Defence saying 'please could you release this file, or papers that you hold on this particular case'.

    "What they've decided to do is to be totally open and to say, 'look we're not holding any secrets back about this subject we've got all these files and we're going to make them available to the public'."

    One includes details on "aerial phenomena" prepared for a meeting of the Cabinet Office's Joint Intelligence Committee in April 1957.

    According to a note included in the Red Book, the weekly intelligence survey, four incidents involving UFOs tracked by RAF radars were "unexplained".

    'Spaceman'

    The documents also include reports of a famous incident dubbed the "Welsh Roswell" in 1974, where members of the public reported seeing lights in the sky and feeling a tremor in the ground.

    Other cases included in the files are:

    • A near-miss with an "unidentified object" reported by the captain and first officer of a 737 plane approaching Manchester Airport in 1995.
    • A mountain rescue team called to investigate a "crashed UFO" in the Berwyn Mountains in Wales in 1974.
    • Attempted break-ins at RAF Rudloe Manor in Wiltshire - sometimes referred to as Britain's "Area 51" - the US's secretive desert military base.
    • The Western Isles incident, when a loud explosion was reported in the sky over the Atlantic in the Outer Hebrides.
    • The 14-minutes of "missing" film relating to the Blue Streak missile test launch in 1964, believed by some to show a "spaceman".
    • A gambler from Leeds who held a 100-1 bet on alien life being discovered before the end of the 20th Century, and who approached the government for evidence to support his claim after the bookmakers refused to pay out. The MoD said it was open-minded about extra-terrestrial life but had no evidence of its existence.

    The files come from more than 5,000 pages of UFO reports and letters and drawings from members of the public, as well as questions raised by MPs in Parliament.

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt
    Just think how religious doctrine would change if we had irrefutable proof of aliens visiting earth. An even greater mental holocaust would occur if an alien's body was found.

    In my experience, facts are helpless when confronted with the Power of Belief. Allah could descend from Heaven and raise the dead, and Evangelical Christians would still insist that their religion is correct.

  • Soldier77
    Soldier77

    I think it would be awesome. The whole alien theory. I mean I don't know for sure that there is or isn't life somewhere else, but just say there is and they were to come here to visit/takeoever/destroy imagine the chaos that would bring? Let's just speculate on the peaceful side of it, people would be going bonkers that an alien race came to earth. I mean really, think about it, the ripple effect is beyond comprehension. Even with the Hollywood versions of imagination...

    I don't know, would be interesting to say the least.

  • JWoods
    JWoods
    In my experience, facts are helpless when confronted with the Power of Belief. Allah could descend from Heaven and raise the dead, and Evangelical Christians would still insist that their religion is correct.

    Conversely, we could go on for centuries without any proof of UFOs, and the true UFO believers will still insist that they are correct.

    This is why I have come to view UFO belief as really being a new-age form of religion. Belief in extra-terrestrials and UFOs are, in fact, fundamental to one fairly significant 20th century new religion - Scientology.

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Somebody claims that his grandfather had overheard Churchill and Ike talking about ....

    Hmm...How scentific is that ? Chinese Whispers?

    Or. I know somebody who might say that if it leads to a mass loss of faith in God and religion, then it is the end of Babylon the Great, and the way is clear for God to..........Well, you know it is all in his purpose.....

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    JWoods:

    First, you must assume that UFOs exist. (If you didn't begin with this assumption, you are "asserting" something.)

    Then, you need to develop faith in the UFO's. Eventually, the UFOs will reveal themselves. To you, they will be real. Nothing anyone can say will refut your personal knowledge of the UFOs.

  • garyneal
    garyneal

    Hey perhaps those people who believe that Jesus is an alien will be very excited indeed for their Messiah can't be too far behind.

    1. How would belief in God for many people change?

    It's changing now as we continue to get further and further away from times of the ancient religions but I think religion will never totally die out. The whole sense of urgency Christians have for the promised return of Christ will wane with each passing year (save for the diehard fundamentalists), especially when churches continue to try to interpret present day events as a sign of the end. Never-the-less, people have been living in the last days for centuries and that belief still hasn't changed.

    2. Would religious belief become LESS, more, or stay the same, and why?

    Religion will change but it will never fully die out or go away. I guess the answer would depend on more, less or stay the same with what? There is so much variety out there now.

    3. Would we exploit the aliens if they were still alive? (optional, G-rated please)

    When I was single, I really liked the idea of getting involved with a little green girl. Really though, on another thread, the banning of gay marriage was overturned and the ruling was "gender is not a basis for marriage." Someone commented whether or not the next step is species? If there are sentient beings on other planets, this will be a definite yes. Interspecies mating, depending on how you define it, could smack of beastiality and to be sure, some diehard fundamentalists will rail against that much like they use to rail against interracial mating.

  • JWoods
    JWoods
    JWoods:
    First, you must assume that UFOs exist. (If you didn't begin with this assumption, you are "asserting" something.)
    Then, you need to develop faith in the UFO's. Eventually, the UFOs will reveal themselves. To you, they will be real. Nothing anyone can say will refut your personal knowledge of the UFOs.

    You know, if you just substitute the name YHWH for UFO, that explains a lot. And still, to an outsider, no real evidence exists.

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    During WWII numerous air crews reporting seeing "foo fighters" - lights tailing their bombers at night. They didn't close the range and they didn't fire at the bombers, nobody ever did figure out what they were. One of the more likely explanations is overworked imaginations of men in combat. I'm quite sure Allied commanders didn't want the public to think the other side was developing some kind of secret weapon.

  • What-A-Coincidence
    What-A-Coincidence

    lol

    UFO's are US COMING BACK FROM THE FUTURE ... THEY (US) WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T SCREW ANYTHING UP

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