QUILLSKY- Ah yes, the Apocalypse - which never comes, right ? Crazy.
It goes deeper than that, Mr Flipper - I wouldn't even want it to come, and don't wish to worship and socialize with those that do.
What Beliefs/ Practices of Jehovah's Witnesses do you Disagree With Most?
by flipper 32 Replies latest jw friends
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Quillsky
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Hadit
There's certainly no shortage of what to disagree with!
Mine would be: Lack of love, UN involvement, self-appointment of GB (the whole history of that is a travesty), lies and deceit by the GB, false prophesy, pedophelia, no questions allowed, treatment of women as lesser beings, blood transfusions, elitist attitude of GB/higher ups, work work work yet never good enough, no education, blood transfusions, hypocrisy, deliberate us of mind control. Whew - I think I could go on but that's the overall gist of my disagreements.
The havoc on people's lives is so sad! The families broken up and the lives lost is a tragedy. The elderly ones who have no pension and no savings is sickening.
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oompa
whats wrong with you guys???!!!.....i thougt it was hatred of oral, anal, and premarital sex....oh....and masturbation?.......get your priorities in order!!!...............oompa
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Pistoff
For me, the #1 issue is NEW LIGHT and NO tolerance for dissent.
It makes all of the other issues impenetrable, not open to the normal pressure and change that bad policy usually gets.
Having said that, my issues:
1. Institutional shunning. It is not scriptural. Paul is credited with being the source of it, but he mentions it to the open congregation, individuals, not as an institutional issue. And it was limited to repulsive and open violation of the community standard of the group, adultery. It is used as a tool to SILENCE critics.
2. The ban on blood transfusion. This issue illustrates perfectly the WT way of poor scholarship and corporate behavior.
As the WT weakened it's stance, it has turned up the rhetoric to hide the changes. After all, no ban on vaccinations or other medical practices that use blood (I won't even dignifiy their stance by saying blood fractions); witnesses are free to use any amount of blood they want, as long as it is broken up into small enough pieces.
Let's use their own logic, at least it was their position: they have compared transfusion to eating. So if a doctor told you NO chocolate, you get the idea; but then he tells you it is up to you to decide how much of tiny pieces of hershey bars you want to eat.
Of course, blood transfusion is NOT eating, it is about oxygen carrying capacity.
Those 2 are the biggest issues for me, because they affect each and every witness, and they are UNDEFENDABLE. Of course, since no one can question the SLAVE, the positions go unchalleneged in the open congregation.
3. The position of CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE. The WT has exactly the same position as Catholic heirarchy about abuse, that it is a SIN first and to be dealt with accordingly. They have made a public show of calling it crime, but nowhere in any of the statements to the rank and file or to the elders is there any evidence that they consider it a crime first and a sin second. They also show a complete lackk of understanding of the recidivism rate of abusers.
How they have handled it is evidence of utter and complete lack of moral leadership and accountability. I have been told that TED JARASCZ was the brains behind this policy. Good riddance.
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miseryloveselders
1. Jesus' Faithful & Discreet Slave illustration being turned into a prophetic doctrine thats been manipulated so they can control everyone.
2. Babylon the Great being the worldwide empire of false religion. The more I research this I'm convinved this was Jerusalem as she was referred to as prostituting herself in handful of scriptures on the Hebrew side of the Bible. When Peter wrote stating he was located in Babylon, I believe he was really talking about Jerusalem in code. When John of Patmos wrote of the Beast turning on the harlot, he was talking about Rome attacking Jerusalem. The Beast also has seven heads, incidently Rome was known to have seven major hills. Another thing was 666, which would be the roman initials for Emporor Nero who was hard on Christians.
3. Disfellowshipping. Three imperfect men taking one person in a room and making this decision. The Bible indicates the whole congretion should have input on the accused, not three imperfect, untrained men representing the congregation.
4. Apostacy. One cannot agree to disagree with the WT on anything. The WT even went a step further by discouraging ones from secretly holding on to beliefs contrary to what the WT believes. Its unreasonable to be that unyielding. Carl Jonnson and Ray Franz might still be JWs if the WT Heavys weren't so Stalinish. If one seeks to go to another Christian faith, or any other faith, they will be disfellowshipped. Or they'll be announced as having disassociated by their actions according the The Flock Book.
5. Higher Education. Nothing in the scriptures forbids this. Yet, 3 summers ago at the disctrict convention, the drama was about Timothy facing pressure from his father to seek higher education as opposed to reaching out in the Christian congregation. The WT is hypocritical with this position they've taken on higher education too. How may times have we seen a brother who's well off materially become a JW, and he gets appointed either as a MS, or Elder quicker than the uneducated in the KH? How many interviews at assemblies and conventions have shown well off ones with educations being used as examples for the audience to show they may be able to Pioneer? Some years ago at a district convention, they had a sister on stage being interviewed about her decision to stop putting so much time in at her profession, so she could pioneer. Here's the part that made me shake my head. This woman was a born-in. Not only was she raised in the truth, but she has a college education. Guess what she did for a living? She was a sports agent. I can't recall what her husband did, but he choose to work full time, so that she can work part time and pioneer. Every convention and circuit assemblies, they interview ones who are well off with business or educated enough so they can support themselves and pioneer. Those interviews are discouraging to those of who were born in. Especially if our JW parents were hardline enough to state to us as young adults that higher education was forbidden. That Higher Education shows a lack of faith. etc.
5. The Blood doctrine. Knowing that the scriptures regarding the pouring out of the blood to the ground, and Israelites being forbidden to eat meat with blood in it, indicates this law was for dietary reasons. In 2010, people don't really eat blood with the exception of Blood pudding, and Blood sausages. Both of which I disagree with personally. But if a person needs and chooses to get a blood transplant, that should be up to the individual Christian's conscious. It's none of the Elder body's business what a person chooses to do for treatment. The fact that the WT is ok with Blood Fractions, says volumes about their internal conflict on this situation. It probably has a lot more to do with the schizme between the LEgal Department in Bethel, and the GB/Writing Department. By the way, what kind of conscious person would seek an investigative committee to confirm whether or not a
6. The smug, arrogant attitudes toward non JWs. The writing department loves words like "destroyed" and "exterminate". Their literature with these terms and similar have the rank & file anticipating with the glee, when God will destroy all nonJWs. Doesn't matter how much good a person has done on behalf of mankind, or if one allows the Bible to influence his/her decisions in life. If those ones don't become JWs, they're going to be destroyed, and eradicated with all the other wicked nonJWs on this planet.
7. Endless meetings and Field Service. Every midweek meeting is exactly the same as the week before. I'm convinced that if I missed meetings for an entire year, it would nothing for me to step back into a KH and pick up on the routine fairly easy. Especially when the WT Study is about meetings. We're the only religion that has meetings about meeting. It's laugable.
Field Service is ridiculous when your preaching other Christian groups. So JWs have doctrines similar and different than Catholics, Protestants, and Baptists. Why are we preaching to them? They're already Christian. They'll get judged eventually, just like you and I. It'd be one thing to preach to Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, etc.. But to waste all your time in the same neighborhoods preaching to other Christians is nonsensible.
8. No Facial HAir. There is absolutely no scripture evidence to support this policy. None. Zilch. Yet I see plenty of African Amercian brothers at assemblies with unsightly ingrown hairs otherwise known as razor bumps. The funniest thing to me, is when you see pictures in some of our literature showing what it will be like in paradise. They show Christians from our modern era conversing with resurected ones from the Biblicle era. The modern ones are all clean shaven, with khakis and polo shirts tucked in. The resurected one are wearing their tradition robes, and a full beard. When I picture myself in a paradise, the last thing I'll be wearing is dockers with a tucked in Polo shirt. I'd probably have on jeans and tennis shoes, and a plain tee shirt. I couldn't imagine the sisters in paradise wearing floral dresses with shoulder pads, and stockings. Those illustrations in the literture indicate to me how retarded they are in Bethel.
9. Jerusalem being destroyed in 607 BCE by the Babylonians. Meanwhile you won't find any Encylopedia, or any Jewish scholar, or any program on PBS or the History Channel supporting 607. The brothers at Bethel aren't humble enough to acknowledge their mistake. They aren't will to risk being wrong on yet another date, this time being 1914, and subsequently 1918/1919 as the time frame that Jesus/Jehovah supposedly chose the Bible Students as His exclusive organization.
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leavingwt
- Institutionlized Shunning
- Refusal of Life-Saving Blood Treatment
Beliefs (of any religion) are of no concern to me. Actions are what concern me.
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daringhart13
Christianity Ala Carte
They pick and choose what is important....what is worthy of discipline...
Convenient application of the Mosaic Law....though completely abolished by the Son of God.
There insane way of applying scriptures would allow a man to beat his wife, right?
Afterall, when married, the Bible says you are 'one flesh'...and Paul said "to lead pummel your body and lead it as a slave"
Its Christianity Ala Carte......steal from that, leave that there, steal from that, leave that there.......
Adultery and Slander............same verse..... one gets a JC, the other gets ignored.
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cyberjesus
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Scully
Theocratic War Strategy™ - the belief that it is not necessary to tell truthful information to people who are not entitled to it. It occurred to me that the average JW is "not entitled to" truthful information, in the opinion of the WTS leadership. That was the last nail in the coffin for me.
Misogyny: their disdain of women.
Paedaphobia: their downright, disgusting hatred of children.
Their oppression of people who wish to better themselves by way of education or career.
The practice of disfellowshipping/disassociation and the shunning that results from it.
The loathesome policies that require parents to martyr their children for want of a blood transfusion, on pain of disfellowshipping.
Paedophilia, and the harbouring, aiding and abetting of paedophiles, by way of flawed policy and procedure; silencing victims of such crimes with threats of disfellowshipping for Bringing Reproach on Jehovah™.
And, last, but not least, there should be a special place in Hades [if I believed in such places] for the @$$hole who coined the phrase Wait On Jehovah™, for creating the most emotionally, mentally and psychologically paralyzing phrase in the entire belief system.
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sooner7nc
The institutional arrogance of a group of know-nothing lackeys.