My Lord spoke and told me to post

by watersprout 213 Replies latest jw friends

hotchocolate
If this did really happen, please consider talking to someone about the fact that you are having auditory hallucinations. Intervoice is the international community for people who hear voices. They say this:
Accept that the voices are real and belong to you. Accept that the voices may have meaning (metaphoric or literal) based on your life experiences. Whilst it is the case that some people define hearing voices as a symptom of medical illness, other voice hearers are able to live with their voices and consider them as a positive (or at least manageable) part of their lives.
Also from an Australian site on Hearing Voices:
Who hears voices?
Hearing voices is NOT exclusive to people diagnosed with Schizophrenia.
- 20% of people diagnosed with mania hear voices
- 10% of people diagnosed with depression hear voices;
- People who have experienced the following all can hear voices:
  Psychological trauma;
  Post-traumatic stress disorder;
  Organic conditions (incl. brain tumours, Parkinson’s Disease, migraines, hyperthyroidism, temporal lobe epilepsy, Alzheimer’s Disease, and delirium);
  Recreational drug use;
  Alcohol;
- Some people who have NO pathology at all can also hear voices, and this includes grief hallucinations, where a person hears the voice of a loved one who has died.
So as long as it stays positive it can be manageable. It seems to be a problem is that many people who start out hearing positive voices can later develop to start hearing negative voices. If I were you I would have a chat to someone just to be sure this doesn't develop into anything more dangerous.
I find some of your responses in encouraging this experience negligent. Watersprout may have a real problem and the least she/he should do is talk to a professional.
SweetBabyCheezits

@Inkie...
"Why would you choose to question such a one knowing that they “seem like a good, spiritual human”?"
The keyword here is seem. Our judgment of others is easily contaminated by presupposition. I've misjudged people before, as to both 'good' and 'bad'. I once knew a man who 'seemed to be a good, spiritual human' and yet he was a pedophile who confessed (I read court documents) to raping his own 5 year old daughter. He was the farthest thing imaginable from a good person.
"How do you test? You test by “love.” That is the determining factor. Is what is stated originating from love? If not, then it does not originate from God. Easy."
The "love" test was also adequate for Annie Moore, one of the victim's of the Jim Jones cult massacre:
"His love for humans was insurmountable," she wrote, "and it was many whom he put his love and trust in, and they left him and spit in his face." - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27743208/
She was duped into suicide by a person who seemed motivated by love. Emotions are a wonderful thing but shouldn't be used to critically analyze such circumstances.
What steps do you suggest be taken?
From what I understand, hearing voices is not normal and is more likely symptomatic of a mental health issue. Since I'm not a psychologist, the first step I suggest for the hearer of voices is to consult a professional (see HC's comment above) who has experience and training to help. They would be better equipped to diagnose and prescribe after hearing WS's story and surrounding events, details, etc...
But the first step for the person who accepts the hearer's account at face value, I'd recommend a book on critical thinking. Seriously. I'm in the middle of a couple myself.
watersprout

Do you accept every claim others might make of hearing the voice of God, so long as they seem like a good, spiritual human?
Who am I to judge?
How do you determine which ones to believe and which ones to write off as being in a state of psychosis?
Like i said above, who am I to judge.
Should a person not question himself when he hears such a voice?
Of course.
Would a person who is in a state of psychosis realize it?
No, probably not.
What steps have you taken to eliminate the possibility that your mind was the source of the voice?
Inkie explained it perfectly. Yes i would also like to know what steps need to be taken?
Peace and light
startingover

So let's just ignore Abraham shall we.
tec

What is it that you want to know about Abraham, Startingover?
Inkie

Dear Starting Over and Twitch:

I was hoping someone would comment on Witness My Fury's post:
I suppose then that your “hope” has been fulfilled.
Seems to me Abraham's situation is totally getting ignored by you voice hearers.

No, not really. It only seems that way to you and others.

According to what is written, God spoke to Abraham and Abraham “heard” God speaking to him. The Bible states that God put “Abrahamto the test.” Abraham obeyed all that God said. At the point of plunging the knife into his son, Abraham was stopped, prevented from doing so, BY AN ANGEL OF GOD. (Genesis 22:12) So then, AT THE MOMENT when the knife was to be plunged in his son God prevented it from happening. This ‘test of Abraham’ is and was quite different from the many slayings that go on in the name of God today. For according to the biblical pattern as set forth in Genesis 22, everyone today who claims to hear a voice from God and that voice says to slay someone or many people—that person at the moment of the slaying would be prevented from doing so had the voice actually been that of God. Do you not see that? According to the pattern set? The fact that today no one stops the slayings says means that the voice heard was NOT from God.
Dear Steve2:
You have the temerity to call the question "stupid"[?]

Yes, I do, temerity or not.

and then as if to emphasize your point used the bolded, capitalized OBVIOUSLY, to imply the true Lord wouldn't request that a believer kill another.

Did I say that the true Lord wouldn’t request such a thing? After re-reading what I posted, I see your point. I guess I did say that. Then let me clarify for you and make what I meant more plain. “[A]ny voice that says to do the above and allows it to be carried outIS NOTthe voice of the True God or of His Christ.” God did not allow the request to Abraham to be carried out. Now, as to whether God or His Christ make such requests today—I seriously doubt it--only because it was already done once with Abraham. No NEED to do it again--ever.

Little wonder that the Old Testament has heralded the way for religious nutters everywhere to claim their obedience to "Divine" instruction to justify their violent deeds. Wake up and smell the stench of "righteous" blood-lust in the Bible before calling the question stupid.

If you know God or His Christ then the question you asked remains stupid. If you don’t know God or His Christ then I can see where you might think the question is valid.
Darth Plaugeis:
wait .....YUK I have to defend God....

Yay!!!

He didn't have anyone kill for the flood...... he did that himself.
Sorry God.
I am sure the apology will be accepted.
SBC: I do see your points. They are quite well stated. To clarify, perhaps I should have stated “love by its manifestation,” “Love at its end result,” “Love in its existence and its culmination,” and not just the claim of being loving which can be proved false. Your point is well-taken, however.
Your recommendations are noted.
--Inkie
SweetBabyCheezits

SBC: Do you accept every claim others might make of hearing the voice of God, so long as they seem like a good, spiritual human?
WS: Who am I to judge?
Okay, I'll take that as a yes.
SBC: How do you determine which ones to believe and which ones to write off as being in a state of psychosis?
WS: Like i said above, who am I to judge.
So instead of employing a little critical thinking, you simply accept each claim, since you can't know for sure? At worst, why not suspend belief until more information and evidence presents itself?
SBC: Should a person not question himself when he hears such a voice?
WS: Of course.
Does this mean you questioned yourself? If so, may I ask what questions you posed? And what were your answers?
SBC: Would a person who is in a state of psychosis realize it?
WS: No, probably not.
So it's fair to say that you could be in such a state and not know it? I mean, heck, I could be too, right? How would I know? The difference here, as a number of people have commented on, is that you're exhibiting a symptom that is at least worth investigating with a professional.
SBC: What steps have you taken to eliminate the possibility that your mind was the source of the voice?
WS: Inkie explained it perfectly. Yes i would also like to know what steps need to be taken?
Please refer back to my last reply to Inkie. My suggestion, like HC and others have already said, would be to consult a therapist who has experience in this realm. They would know best how to handle things beyond that first step.
Gerard

I'm sorry if i was not clear Jim TX. I had that experience yesterday when i heard His voice, and then this morning i was told to post what i had heard the day before.
Holly Zoo Batman! Please welcome our Messiah For The Month of September!
So, according to this new divine revelation, now even Jeehover is jumpin' in the Internet bandwagon for publicity. And he requested a post in JWN specifically! Just one question: Can't the all-mighty Jeehover do that for hisself? I mean, he created the universe and all things within....I'm sure he's got a computer somewhere in his palace in the Acyclone star.... I'm sure he could afford at least a dial-in and a modem.....
watersprout

Okay, I'll take that as a yes
I take it as no. I do not judge!
So instead of employing a little critical thinking, you simply accept each claim, since you can't know for sure? At worst, why not suspend belief until more information and evidence presents itself?
Inkie already commented on your questions and none of his answers were good enough. Ones still picked fault. No matter what I put, Shelby puts or Inkie puts it will still not be good enough for any of you. What you all want is for ME to admit i have mental health issues. Let me assure you ''I DO NOT'' have mental health issues. I have not said that i want to cause pain to anyone, all I was directed to say was ''Show love and kindness to others''. Seriously what is soo wrong with that?? Is it because i heard a voice?? Obviously yes.........
To be perfectly honest i have never met soo many people who like to accuse others of having a ''mental illness'' and are ''crazy'' when all us ''crazy'' people do is show love and kindness to others. You will not be happy with any answers given that are posted to your questions because they are NOT what YOU want to hear.
I am not ''mental'' nor do i ''need'' help. Thank you for your ''concern'' nonetheless.
Peace and light
SweetBabyCheezits

Inkie, I appreciate your comments in your last reply. I'd like to continue some reasoning through this without getting personal or or too offensive, if I may?
According to what is written, God spoke to Abraham and Abraham “heard” God speaking to him. The Bible states that God put “Abrahamto the test.” Abraham obeyed all that God said. At the point of plunging the knife into his son, Abraham was stopped, prevented from doing so, BY AN ANGEL OF GOD. (Genesis 22:12) So then, AT THE MOMENT when the knife was to be plunged in his son God prevented it from happening. This ‘test of Abraham’ is and was quite different from the many slayings that go on in the name of God today. For according to the biblical pattern as set forth in Genesis 22, everyone today who claims to hear a voice from God and that voice says to slay someone or many people—that person at the moment of the slaying would be prevented from doing so had the voice actually been that of God. Do you not see that? According to the pattern set? The fact that today no one stops the slayings says means that the voice heard was NOT from God.
Please bear with me on this.... I think a "pattern", by definition, means recurring events or objects that repeat. If there were 20 accounts of god asking people in the bible to kill, and in all 20 accounts he used an angel to prevent it at the last second, that would be a pattern.
(But then if god is testing your faith, the test would be pointless if you have such a pattern. You'd know what to expect. "Oh, okay, c'mere son. God wants me to act like I'm going to kill you with this knife. But it's okay. He'll stop me before I do it." This repetition would make the test self-defeating. Why would god do that? That alone should tell you god isn't asking anyone to pretend they're going to murder another.)
Even those who take the bible literally have no reason to assume that the god of Abraham would ever again prevent the completion of a murder he himself ordered. If anything, considering god's history in the Old Testament, the account of Abraham and Isaac was the anomaly. The norm would be for the subject to execute god's will as directed (kill?) and show faith by not hesitating.
With that in mind, do you not see the danger of encouraging a hearer of voices to go on with life without seeking help?

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