All the accusations- and no substance....how SHOCKING! (page 22)

lesabre

yeah.... like madjw said..... psychology sure HAS worked in the society.

thetrueone

Its interesting to see you completely avoid the substance that you requested, not one rebuttal on the books or video presented to you.

Why is that, are you afraid of hearing the truth about your chosen religion ?

I guess thats why no one sticks around to discuss anything on your thread topics, you don't really want to debate

anything, it may very well be that that you don't have a strong leg to stand on.

Well I tried to relieve of your Jehovahanity virus but if you wont accept the antidote which is the truth, I cant help you.

Good bye .........thetrueone

theMadJW

falseone, I very rarely click on links. YOU don't know enough to TELL me? Is that as rhetorical as I think?

chrisjoel

"The WTBS didn't invent Jehovah, neither did the Jews."

Yeah, but they might as well have.

are JEHOVAHS WITNESSES THE ONLY ONES WHO PREACH THE GOOD NEWS OF THE KINGDOM.

theres more than one way to LOOK at this madJW....

You mean Jws are the only ones who preach their own interpretation of THAT. lots of other relgions have grown in GREATER numbers. Here is what the born agains, know about preaching when it comes to jws :

When the Watchtower claims they are the only group that preach, what is really meant is that Jehovah's Witnesses are the only people that preach the Watchtower interpretation of God's Kingdom, principally from "house to house".

The Watchtower places great emphasis on the 'house to house' ministry, yet Mark 13:10 simply says "Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first." It does not dictate how this is to be done. Though the house to house work is an acceptable way to preach, it is never indicated scripturally as a sign of who God's followers would be. In fact, house to house is not even prescribed as the way to preach. A close look at the scriptures that the Watchtower uses to specify house to house preaching is enlightening.

Though the Watchtower makes constant reference to the 'house to house' work this is not how early Christians preached. In the New World Translation there are over 30 references to Jesus disciples preaching in the synagogues, marketplace and temple and only 3 that use the term 'house to house'. For example:

Mark

Acts

The only time that the term 'house to house' is used in regards to preaching to unbelievers was when Jesus sent out the 70 disciples. On this occasion Jesus plainly stated not to go house to house.

Luke

Do not be transferring from house to house

The Watchtower quotes two other scriptures from Acts to indicate a person should preach 'house to house', yet neither of these scriptures leads to such a conclusion.

Watchtower

The Greek used at Acts 5:42 and Acts 20:20 is not Ek oikia eis oikia, but rather Kata oikos. For this reason most Bible translations render this "in every house", "at home" or "in their homes". The New World Translation uses the phrase "house to house" at Acts 20:20, though the footnote acknowledges that the Greek word means "in private houses".

Acts 20:17-20 Paul is not discussing preaching to unbelievers but rather teaching those who already were Christians. He says;

"However, from Mi·le´tus he sent to Eph´e·sus and called for the older men of the congregation. 18 When they got to him he said to them: "YOU well know how from the first day that I stepped into the [district of] Asia I was with you the whole time, 19 slaving for the Lord with the greatest lowliness of mind and tears and trials that befell me by the plots of the Jews; 20 while I did not hold back from telling YOU any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching YOU publicly and from house to house."

A more accurate way to understand these scriptures in Acts is "we were teaching you at your homes" similar to the way Witnesses hold congregation book studies. Paul here relates his past activity in teaching "the older men of the congregation" privately within Christian homes. Early Christians did not have Churches but met in homes, and it is to this that Paul was referring.

Romans

Colossians

In 1972 the Watchtower acknowledged that Acts 20:20 does not apply to door to door preaching. Hence, Organization for Kingdom-Preaching and Disciple-Making the page 56 footnote used the following quote from Doctor Robertson, showing that kai kat' oikous was used to indicate preaching to existing Christians such as Aquila and Priscilla.

"...and from house to house (kai kat' oikous). By (according to) houses. It is worth noting that this greatest of preachers preached from house to house and did not make his visits merely social calls. He was doing kingdom business all the while as in the house of Aquila and Priscilla (1 Cor. 16:19)."

Only seven years later, in 1979, the Watchtower went back to using Acts 20:20 to indicate that Jehovah's Witnesses must preach door to door.

A further example of the New World Translation translating in a way to promote their preaching work is Romans 10:10 where it states "with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation". This scripture is then used to indicate that preaching is necessary for salvation. (w02 11/1 p. 11) The commonly used word in most translations is "confession". Though this NWT wording is not technically wrong, this greatly changes the intended meaning that at baptism "confession is made unto salvation" (KJV) (At w88 1/1 p. 22 the Watchtower acknowledges that Romans is related to baptism)

Guidance on how to preach was given by Jesus at Matthew 10:5-12:

kingdom of the heavens

Cure sick people

give free

stay there until YOU leave

Though Matthew 10 is used by the Watchtower as a key reference in promoting the door to door ministry the text is disregarded by Witnesses in its entirety. The Watchtower message focuses largely on the earthly organization and earthly paradise rather than the heavenly aspect of the kingdom. Miracles such as raising the dead, faith healing and exorcism are not practiced. Rather than giving free, donations are requested to cover the cost of the literature and prior to the change of tax status the money raised for selling literature is what developed the Watchtower Society into a billion dollar business. Finally, the disciples did not go house to house, they searched out a single house to stay.

Preaching from 'house to house' is not an indicator of the true religion. The majority of preaching described in the Bible was done where people were, such as synagogues and in markets. If Witnesses were really interested in bringing people to Jehovah they would spend less time door knocking on empty doors or doing return visits five to a car mid week afternoons when most people are not at home.

There are 3 billion Christians globally. Many new Christian religions are growing rapidly. How? All religions proselytise and many religions have active missionary programs. Most religions preach about the kingdom of God, the message of the Bible and about Jesus. They do what Matthew 28:19 say:

". . .baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit,. . ."

The preaching work conducted by Jehovah's Witnesses is becoming less and less effective. A simple evaluation of the yearly report shows that it takes 5000 hours of witnessing per baptism (1 billion witnessing hours in 2004 resulted in only 200,000 baptisms). If you take the figure of 200,000 and halve it for those born in the truth and then halve it again to account for those reached in informal witnessing an even more realistic figure would be 20,000 hours of door-to-door work for one convert. That is the equivalent of 166 people doing 10 hours each a month for a year.

Other religious groups grow because members preach casually to friends at work, universities and anywhere else they may be found. They do not get hung up on where to preach and whether the hours can be put on a monthly report. Though Jehovah's Witnesses report a billion hours a year preaching, it is predominantly spent knocking on the doors of empty houses. If a person is interested in helping people and not just in reporting hours, there are far more effective ways to preach.

Jesus spent most of his time preaching in the streets, the synagogues and the markets, anywhere that people were and rarely if ever went house to house. Did the apostle Paul enter a town and go door to door? Never is that recorded. Rather he always headed straight to where the most people would be. If Jesus were alive today do you think he would have spread his urgent message by trudging door to door when he knew no one was going to be there?

It is incorrect to say that Jehovah's Witnesses alone have preached to the entire inhabited earth. Over half the world, 3 billion people have never seen a Watchtower. Between China, India, Pakistan and Indonesia there are almost 3,000,000,000 inhabitants and less than 50,000 Jehovah's Witnesses. Everyday on average over 200,000 people are born, but the number of active Jehovah's Witnesses increases by only 224 (2005 daily increase in average publishers). This means that each day Armageddon is delayed there is an extra 200,000 people that Jehovah will be required to destroy who have never heard of him. If the end is contingent on Jehovah's Witnesses preaching to "all the inhabited earth" then that time is far off.

theMadJW

...

theMadJW

"When the Watchtower claims they are the only group that preach, what is really meant is that Jehovah's Witnesses are the only people that preach the Watchtower interpretation of God's Kingdom, principally from "house to house".- nice try, Chris, but wrong, as usual:

Matt 24:14- And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Tell us all of any others that do this.

theMadJW

Churchoids don't teach- that's what they pay their CLERGY to do. AND they have NO CLUE as to what the Kingdom is!

chrisjoel

nice try, Chris, but wrong, as usual:

hahahaha, your hilarious.

lets see, hmm mmm...mmm

Matt 24:14- And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

And this gospel(which a rich clothing store owner, called charles russell, just LUCKILY happened to revive! thank god for charles russel! ) will be preached in the whole world ( except where jws cant penetrate then theres community responsibility, and billions are going to get AXED cuz JWS coudlnt penetrate !!!! ) as a testimony to all nations ( JWs are a laughing stock of all nations give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! insert anything you want here _ bad predictions, bad chronology, bad schisms, bad early history of the movement, bad bible interpretation, bad prophetic failures, bad attacks on intellectuals in thier own ranks, bad philosophy of History, a bad organizational hierarchy,.......... ect ect ect...) until the end will come ( the end that was supposed to come in 1874, 1914, 1925, 1975, the end that ,wait just a second ,,,do u hear that: its the true doctrine preaching of the no immortal soul, no trinity, no hellfire ! yes based on those 3 things everyone should convert to being jws !!!

COME ON MAN GIVE ME A BREAK!

and yeah i left out the words...THE KINGDOM cuz thats open to interpreation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the kingdom is a government in 1914

the kingdom is state

the kingdom is jesus

ect ect ect.......

chrisjoel

sorry mad jw, im not trying to be rude towards you so please dont take it that way. i really dont care all that much that you hold on to your stance , its just funny thats all....one of these days ill have a look at your site, ok sir! have a good one

All the accusations- and no substance....how SHOCKING!

Share this