According to the WT Study this past Sunday, questioning the Slave is equivalent to questioning God & Jesus.

by miseryloveselders 44 Replies latest jw friends

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  Doubting Bro

  There were some awesome comments made:

  1 - The WT conductor related a story about how a group of folks who he saw grow up in his old congregation recently DA'ed in a group. He didn't say how many but it sounded like a handful at once. That actually made me cheerful in an otherwise maddening hour. Of course, it was because they were trusting in their own wisdom not because of anything the "slave class" said.

  2 - Several references to non-JWs being completely destroyed. Got to have that death and destruction. Sadly, the first comment of the morning was from a 4 year old saying that the world will be destroyed.

  3 - Ramblings about the evils of the internet! Tool of Satan.

  4 - Ramblings about the "peace and security" prophesy. Seems to be some confusion about when it would happen (either pre or post great trib). I though the official teaching was, 1) fall of Babylon which begins great trib, 2) earth united under the anti-christ and UN, 3) call of peace and security, 4) then the Big A. Did that change because no one corrected the person that said the call of peace and security would kick off the great trib.
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  LongHairGal

  So, questioning the slave (i.e. the religion) is equivalent to questioning God & Jesus? This is the height of arrogance and presumptuousness for anybody to claim such a thing. Even at my most brainwashed, I never would have accepted such a statement, so I wonder how anybody sitting there now can just swallow something like this.

  If the JWs bothered to even think about this and what it means they would logically conclude that the religion is placing itself on par with God and Jesus. Come on now!

  Are they able to hear prayers as well???

  (tongue in cheek)
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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  That farticle was 100% cult mentality. Totally cultish from "faithful slave class=God" to "God hates violence, so he's going to smash open the heads of every non-JW very soon now."
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  Mad Sweeney

  Who are these "teachers" that are promoting these ideas? How widespread must the problem be, for them to acknowledge it in print?

  A Dub, while trying to preach to me brought up this very same paragraph from the article and she was genuinely confused and unsure who these people might be, though she guessed I had been influenced by them. I told her that there are hundreds, maybe even thousands of elders who know that the WTS has been making stuff up and falsely claiming to be God's organization. They stay in the congregations both to help people learn the REAL truth and to salvage their family (due to the shunning arrangement).

  She had no idea "apostasy" was so widespread. She figured it was just me and that all the others she hears of leaving do so because of the reasons the Borg states (disgruntled, materialism, sex). She was shocked. Dumfounded. Speechless.
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  miseryloveselders

  She had no idea "apostasy" was so widespread. She figured it was just me and that all the others she hears of leaving do so because of the reasons the Borg states (disgruntled, materialism, sex). She was shocked. Dumfounded. Speechless.

  Mad Sweeny, I'm questioning it myself about how widespread this "apostacy" is. That paragraph was serious business as was much of that entire article. As Wing Commander mentioned, its becoming so blatant any more. Everything is the Faithful Slave, the Slave this, the Slave that. One of the new songs in the song book has a verse about the slave, so now we're singing about them!!! Its really getting over the top. I'm glad though, I hope they continue to shoot themselves in the foot.
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  Mad Sweeney

  If there are a dozen current, in good standing, elders active here on JWN, how does that extrapolate into the wide world? Hundreds? Thousands? To quote Fred Franz, "Could be. Could be."

  And that's just elders who are hanging on while they can.

  There are also many other JW "brothers" and "sisters" here that are in good standing. Not to mention those who are faded but not DFd.

  How many thousand of current JWs are actually NON-JWs? I don't know but the number is probably growing.
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  serenitynow!

  What I want to know is, are active JWs now so brain dead that they don't remember that there is a scriptural precedent for questioning god? Hello, Abraham questioned god, and was still called god's friend! How do they explain that? That is another thing I am going to use to talk to JWs. I tell you, the FDS has become more and more outrageous.
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  Mad Sweeney

  Oh, you can question all right. You just have to make sure you accept their answers.
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  brotherdan

  Mad Sweeny, wasn't there a letter to BOE that redefined apostasy as a difference in "belief" that was different from the WTS, instead of a spreading of a belief different from the WTS?
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  serenitynow!

  wow brotherdan if that is true then they really are the "thought police."