OT God vs NT God (page 2)

brotherdan

But isn't that kind of racist too, snowbird? I mean, I always just accepted the whole "Jews are the chosen people" thing as a JW. But now it seems racist. Why would he not give the same opportunity to everyone?

leavingwt

LWT - To be honest, I don't really know what to believe at this point. But IF I was to believe in life after death, I couldn't put ANY stock into annihilationism. Does the bible say that it is possible for a soul to die? Yes. But does it talk about the soul leaving the body? Yes. So I don't know...

Well, I was just thinking that NT God is currently tormenting billions in Hell (however conceived) if one does reject Annihilationism. Therefore, IMHO, one could argue that NT God is bigger and badder than OT God and he loves it when people suffer. For, if he wanted to, he could put them out of their misery.

pirata

I used to wonder that too. One day I realized that Revelation brings things full circle (destroy everyone who is not part of the spiritual Israel).

snowbird

God chose the Jews because of His great love for His friend, Abraham. Everyone does have the same opportunity to know God.

It was an unnamed Levite who cut his dead concubine into 12 pieces and sent one piece to each tribe.

Judges 19: 29-30 He lifted her onto his donkey and set out for home. When he got home he took a knife and dismembered his concubine—cut her into twelve pieces. He sent her, piece by piece, throughout the country of Israel. And he ordered the men he sent out, "Say to every man in Israel: 'Has such a thing as this ever happened from the time the Israelites came up from the land of Egypt until now? Think about it! Talk it over. Do something!'" MSG

Samuel hacked Agag, a king of Amalek, to pieces right in front of Saul in 1 Samuel 15.

1 Samuel 15:30 Saul tried again, "I have sinned. But don't abandon me! Support me with your presence before the leaders and the people. Come alongside me as I go back to worship God."

31 Samuel did. He went back with him. And Saul went to his knees before God and worshiped.

32 Then Samuel said, "Present King Agag of Amalek to me." Agag came, dragging his feet, muttering that he'd be better off dead.

33 Samuel said, "Just as your sword made many a woman childless, so your mother will be childless among those women!" And Samuel cut Agag down in the presence of God right there in Gilgal. MSG

That was just the way things were done. No playing around.

Syl

brotherdan

Thanks for the clarification...nice bible knowledge snowbird!!!

But how do you justify the murder of children in the OT?

PSacramento

But PSac...either all of those verses were inspired or they weren't. If you believe that the bible is an inspired work of the almighty, then how could his chosen people have misinterpreted him so badly, and then wrote about it with no recriminations?

Inspired does not equal inerrant and the bibel was written by Man, not God, Man and in many places God's prophets ream the scribes for altering the word of God ( what they wrote to be the words of god) and writing things in "god's name".

Jesus reamed the scribes in his tiem for doing that too.

You really think God ordered the deaths of children and defenseless women? that it was OK for Lots's daughters to get him drunk and have sex with him but some woman commits adultry and she is to be stoned to death? that people shoudl be killed if the break the sabath? that if a man rapes a woman he must marry her? you think God inspired Man to write those things? or is it far more plasuabel that man, using thei self proclaimed "divine authority bestowed on them" wrote those things, even if wih the "best" of intentions?

Because, it's not as if these things don;t ahve right now, right?

pirata

I used to also reason that just because an prophet/king/Israelite did something in the Bible does not mean that God approved of it.

brotherdan

I used to be totally against your ideas about the Bible Psac...but it is making ALOT more sense to me now. I've been listening to a "Teaching Company" college course on the making of the Jewish and NT canon, and there are definitely changes that were made to both. Also, many parts of the NT quotes non canonized books. For example, Jude quotes from the book of Enoch.

snowbird

Thanks for the clarification...nice bible knowledge snowbird!!!

LOL. I just got 1 Kings and 1 Samuel mixed up in my mind.

But how do you justify the murder of children in the OT?

In those times, you completely annihilated your enemy - children and all.

I don't like it, but that's the way it was.

Syl

PSacramento

Dan,

Even IF the bible is inerrant, our interpretations are NOT and that goes for ancient man.

We must reconcile what we read in the bible WITH the WORD of God and that WORD is Jesus, we must read the bible with Jesus's eyes and see what is there by God's will and what is there by man's will.

Try reading the NT and then the OT with Jesus in mind, liek he apsotles did when they started to apply OT passage to him.

Try reading the OT with the knowledge that God is love and that Love is NOT cruel, judging, jealous or spiteful.

Totally different read my friend.

OT God vs NT God

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