No Link Found Between Vaccine Mercury and Autism

by leavingwt 132 Replies latest social current

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  bohm

  Boehm I am not an expert on Dr. Wakefield,

  Oh jesus christ, have some interlectual honesty!

  Is a non-random sample size of 12 which is not representative of the population in any way sufficient statistical material to proove anything of the kind Wakefield suggest, yes or no?

  if you want to throw stones why not also take a look at Dr Frank Destefano with whom we started this thread. There are those that accuse him of hiding data that proves a link and of other things.

  And there are people who accuse Nasa of killing astronauts to cover up a fake moon landing. But we get off the topic, i dont give a crap about what someone say about a guy with a funny name, this should be a discussion about the evidence.

  Do you want to answer for all accussations made against Frank Destafano? I think I answered your question when I said go against big government or big corporate America and see what the media does to you.

  I am not a doctor or scientitst

  Neither are many of the people who make expert statements in your articles

  I am just looking at one thing the rise of autism along with the rise of vaccines, the main culprit would appear to be thimersol which has mercury in it.

  WHY would it appear to be that? WHY would it still appear to be that when there is a large body of evidence which talk against it?

  Most importantly: the fact autism is inherited tells you what?

  My only reason for beleiving it's mercury is because nothing else in the vaccine that I am aware of seems as likely or has been put forward. `

  It might also be body-thetans in the vaccine. Or the real JFK killer. OR IT MAY NOT BE THE VACCINE AT ALL, LIKE A TON OF STUDIES HAS DEMONSTRATED TIME OVER AGAIN AND AGAIN.

  I am not writing a paper on this Boehm I will answer one question but I don't have time to research everything you threw at me on your posts.

  Ìn other words, your mostly basing your oppinion on crooks and pseudo-scientists like Wakefield and Gary Null you happened to stumble by on the internet, and then you didnt research them. Since you didnt research them in the first place, i shouldnt expect you to back up your oppinion by more than a bit of copy pasting since, hey, its properly wrong.

  I think you can find the info your looking for on Google.

  Since you are promoting a view that will potentially kill a lot of children if its wrong, is it really to big a deal to expect that you have even cared to google it? Or said in another way, now that its clear you have done absolutely no research but are merely copy-pasting crooks, will you do minimal research yourself?
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  bohm

  RGB:

  Since you are now focusing on the mercury stupidity:

  If mercury cause autism, and mercury was removed from vaccines, what would we expect to happend 10 years down the line with the autism rates? Would they: 1) drop. 2) stay the same. 3) rise.

  Secondly, the girl in your article had an extremely rare mitochondrial disease. The vaccine made that worse. A common cold might have done the same thing. That show what?
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  mrsjones5

  Is it so crazy therefore to look at the rise of autism in the 1940's which corresponds with rise of vaccines, and then the sharp rise in the number of vaccines given to babies in the 80's and 90's with the sharp increase in childhood autisim.

  It's not crazy but it is prudent to make sure your sources of information are reliable and verifiable. I'm a mother of a child with autism. I do not take the issue of autism lightly because I live it every freakin day. I don't have time for conjecture. I don't have patience for crackpot theories. I need real facts because Autism is reality for my son and I.
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  Deputy Dog
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  Deputy Dog
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  Deputy Dog

  RGB

  Thank you. The Hannah Polling case is the one I was talking about the other day.

  Here's the report: http://www.huliq.com/8738/15m-plus-award-vaccine-autism-lawsuit

  This is the part I found interesting

  In acknowldeging the sequence of events, the government in its settlement said that the vaccine did not "cause" Hannah's autism, but rather aggravated a rare mitochondrial disorder that "resulted in" autism. The distinction, while subtle, allows the government to continue to maintain, as it did in all the other vaccine autism suits prior to the Pollings', that childhood disease vaccines are safe and do not trigger autism.
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  bohm

  vaccine: May cause autism if child has very rare mitochondrial disease. all studies indicate it will not cause autism in otherwise healthy subjects.

  no vaccine: children dead in thousands from nasty diseases

  oh the choices!
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  Leolaia

  Boehm I don't doubt you can parade an impressive list of scientists and doctors to attack the autism mercury link

  That's the job of scientists! Science is supposed to subject claims like Wakefield's to rigorous testing and criticism.
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  Leolaia

  That decision [by the court], however, comes as a surprise to experts on mitochondrial disorders. In response to the Poling case, the United Mitochondrial Disease Foundation has released a statement saying, "There are no scientific studies documenting that childhood vaccinations cause mitochondrial diseases or worsen mitochondrial disease symptoms."

  Dr. John Shoffner, the Atlanta-based neurologist who identified Hannah Poling's mitochondrial disorder, is "genuinely puzzled" by the court's judgment. Shoffner, who has been studying and treating these disorders for 20 years, says it's impossible to say whether Hannah's mitochondrial disorder was, in fact, a pre-existing condition that set the stage for her autism (as the government contends) or if it developed along with her autism. A specialist in mitochondrial disorders, he is investigating the relationship between autism and these disorders and plans to present a paper on the topic at the annual meeting of the American Academy of Neurology in April. "In some subset of people with ASD — a small group of patients, I think — mitochondrial dysfunction is an important part of their disease. But it's too early to say whether it gets the ball rolling or if it comes about after the ball got rolling."

  http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1721109,00.html#ixzz0zp1HbqpS
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  Deputy Dog

  bohm

  I'm not taking sides one way or the other. Maybe there is a way to screen for this "rare mitochondrial disorder" or make the vaccine safe for those afflicted with the disorder.