Demons and the WTS (page 7)

brotherdan

laverite! You totally had me going there for a second. Awesome experience! Ha!

brotherdan

That video didn't work, Stephen. Uh oh....maybe someone doesn't want us to watch it. :-)

Chalam

Well, to be honest, after going through a course recently on the making of the NT canon, my faith in the Bible has waivered a bit.

You need to get on some better courses.

Blessings,

Stephen

SweetBabyCheezits

BD: Modern times is what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about experiences in Jesus' time.

Chalam: Nothing has changed, saved the diagnosis.

Another excellent point, but not in the way you meant it, perhaps. "Nothing has changed." So if you don't believe mischievous demons are flying around, possessing smurfs and people in modern times, why then do you believe they possessed humans (and pigs) a couple thousand years ago? If you write off sensational stories (hearsay) from modern times, why do you accept them (also hearsay) from back then?

BTW, which cases are you limiting to mental illness, BD? What about psychosomatic episodes in which a person is sane but superstitious and attributes a moving lampshade (like in the video) to a ghost before ruling out other possibilities. That could simply be closed-minded thinking and superstition. Other possibilities include effects from drugs, a dream state, faulty memory (things we remember from childhood), sleep paralysis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis), and the like. Craziness is not a prerequisite. What I'm saying is that there are a number of valid explanations that require less assumptions than a supernatural explanation.

SweetBabyCheezits

I'll relate my personal experience:

We once had a lamp that seemed to pop ON in the middle of the night for no reason. I walked into the hallway and shut it off then climbed back into bed. A few minutes later I heard it pop on again, but no other noise. Despite the fact that I had already lost my faith in the supernatural realm, it still freaked me out a bit. The explanation was not immediately apparent. I got out of bed and walked into the hall and looked at the lamp for a minute, and fought my old JW-programmed mind by telling myself, "No, there IS a natural explanation. I just have to find it." (My wife, who was still a JW at the time, said "Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah", which snapped me back to reality.)

As it turned out, my little girl was sneaking out of her bed and turning it on and then running back to bed before I caught her.

The moral: a closed-minded (superstitious) person will quickly draw their conclusion, assigning the unexplainable event to the supernatural, and then refuse to consider any other plausible explanation. Their mind is not open to other possibilities.

brotherdan

I can agree with that, Cheeze. I think Stephens post showing the exorcism was one of my main problems. It looks like the guy is crazy or in some sort of manic trance. I don't know. Why would a demon come out with some guy in a suit pounding on the guys chest while talking in a microphone. It just looked too set up to me.

I'm not saying that I don't believe it. But I just haven't seen anything myself. What causes them to mess with some people and not others. I even stayed in a few haunted hotels before. I wasn't even creeped out. Nothing.

I guess it's an issue with faith on my part. I've lost quite a bit during this whole WTS fiasco.

Chalam

That video didn't work, Stephen. Uh oh....maybe someone doesn't want us to watch it. :-)

Could be.

I have fixed the link so if you have peace in the Spirit moves you step back a page.

Blessings,

Stephen

brotherdan

I watched it and while it's disturbing, isn't there a chance that it's fake? Isn't there a chance that the guy believes he has a demon so much that he is making himself act in that way. Couldn't it be a form of hysteria?

baltar447

Wow, I watched like one second of that video and closed my browser, lol. If it's its one thing that I've never been able to tolerate, it's watching things like that. Anything involving exorcisms just trips my built in alarm. I do believe that there are wicked forces in this world, that doesn't mean I walk around in fear but it also means I don't consider watching the possible exploits of them entertainment. I've never even liked horror movies.

SweetBabyCheezits

Chalam, a similar question was posed on another thread but I think it bears repeating:

If demons can reportedly make a book fly off a shelf with no assistance from anyone else, why does a Ouija board require users' hands to be on the planchette to move it?

Is a scientific explanation worth investigating?

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