586/7 vs. 607 (another one) Critique my letter please....

by bigmouth 36 Replies latest jw friends

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  PSacramento

  The "7 x the gentile times" doctrine is ridiculous.

  The WT should have heeded Jesus's words:

  6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria and to the end of the earth.” 9 And when he had said this, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. 10 And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”
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  startingover

  Check out this website, lots more info about this debate http://corior.blogspot.com/
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  Joey Jo-Jo

  debator -King Neb? I thought it was Jesus ***scratches head***

  "The bible holds a lot of prophecies as Jesus himself revealed which "tense" is never really an issue since Jesus fulfilled prophecies written about David apparently for David himself in the present, past or future tense."

  Maybe you should look up the word prophecy, and like I said Jesus didn't speak in a past tense.. or present.

  "For the record witnesses say and I agree that any interpretation of Bible prophecy is only a "Ccurrent understanding" prophecy is subjective. We have to research the Bible and correlate that with fulfillment in the world around us so it is not an exact science (nor is it meant to be) but unity demands we have to be in agreement with each other as Christians and I think the "times" prophecy is a solid one."

  What the GB teaches, they teach has fact, and if I openly held this view (a current understanding like its not solid) you have written, I would be disfellowshiped. This also ties in with Matt (25 I think), does a good tree bear bad fruit? or vice versa?

  "lowliest" is in it's first fulfilment a reference to king Neb a singular person. I'm surprised some translations make it plural anyway?"

  If you look up hebrew its also plural.

  Joey
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  bigmouth

  Hi Debator, thanks for your thoughts. As IsaacAustin notes, I was aware Rolf Furuli was a Witness. During my research I noticed he got into a furious argument with C. O. Jonsson over the latters criticism of the others methodology. I'm inclined not to quote either with the elder I originally mentioned as neither fits the bill as a neutral authority.

  You commented - "For the record witnesses say and I agree that any interpretation of Bible prophecy is only a "Ccurrent understanding" prophecy is subjective. We have to research the Bible and correlate that with fulfillment in the world around us so it is not an exact science (nor is it meant to be) but unitydemands we have to be in agreement with each other as Christians and I think the "times" prophecy is a solid one.""

  - You are certainly a 'team player' by your honest comment above. But I do see how the Society has found itself in a position where they are stuck with a critical teaching that allows no wiggle room. There surely are many who are aware of this but keep silent for the sake of 'unity'.

  Thanks to all for input,

  Pete
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  AnnOMaly

  Debator:

  As we can see, at least some experts will support the Bible's viewpoint against the traditional 587 date.

  As isaacaustin said, 'some experts' will support the 586 BCE date instead. However, NO expert will support a 607 BCE date. As for Dr. Furuli's credentials, allow him to speak for himself:

  "My field is Semitic languages and culture, and my advantage is that I am able to read and work with original documents in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Akkadian. My disadvantage is that I am neither a professional archaeo-astronomer nor a historian. Moreover, as any professional knows, if you are not an expert in a field, you are likely to commit errors." - Assyrian, Babylonian, Egyptian and Persian Chronology, Vol. I, 2003, p.14. [emphasis added]

  And indeed, being an expert in neither archaeo-astronomy nor ANE history, and not having tested his hypotheses with the professionals, unfortunately the errors in both his volumes on chronology are legion.
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  bigmouth

  Wow! AnnOmaly. That is a killer quote! That will have to be the Ace up the sleeve for any debate re. Furuli's authority.
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  Black Sheep

  “These accounts agree with the true history in our books [the Hebrew Scriptures]; for in them it is written that

  Nebuchadnezzar, in the nineteenth year of his reign, laid our temple desolate, and so it lay in that state for fifty years;

  but that in the second year of the reign of Cyrus, its foundations were laid and it was finished again in the second year

  of Darius.” - Against Apion I, 21

  After Debater has drawn us up her king list to make Alleymom and Farkel look like complete fools, perhaps she would like to tabulate the early years of Cyrus to prove that the Jews returned to Judah in 537 B.C.

  Fact Jews Returned In 538 BC Kills Off Watchtower Chronology