The vast majority of jws do not know the real history of their religion, nor do they have access to the old publications. So the WT can claim anything they want to about their history, and get away with it.
Coffee
How credible is the wt claim to be chosen by Christ in 1919.
by coffee_black 63 Replies latest jw friends
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designs
Coffee- Good point, most of our former Witness friends stopped searching the history because they believed what was in the Proclaimers Book, they bought the Hollywood version hook line and sinker.
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coffee_black
Designs,
I personally don't know any JWs who researched the history of the wt and stayed in. Researching their history disproves their claims...so why follow a fraud?
I used to have the majority of wt publications from the early 1900s. It was a great help in setting things straight in my own mind. I once entertained a thought of setting up a library and research facility...kind of a retreat for anyone who wanted to have access to this stuff. Time and lack of finances kind of nixed it... but I still think its a good idea... It's great to have online access to the info...but the actual publications...well that makes it undeniable.
Coffee
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wobble
True Designs, and many still are, as far back as they feel the need to go is the Proclaimers book.
The funny thing is that I identified it as an apologia written to counter the accusations of" Apostates" when i first read it, shortly after it came out, I recognized the economy of truth in the writing, I was born in so was used to seeing it.
It was a good number of years though before I finally walked away from the religion.
Cutting through the mind-control exercised by the Cult is so so difficult, especially to try to get long term true believer types to see.
1919 for instance is easy, Jerusalem was not destroyed in 607 so 1914 and 1919 have no significance, let alone credibility, but Dubs just will not see it.
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coffee_black
It just shows how powerful information control is. The wt is a master of it.
Coffee
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coffee_black
There is some variation as to what date they claim to be "chosen". Usually it's 1918 or 1919. That's interesting, though, Jebem (and Welcome!) because that would mean that the Finished Mystery was published after they were chosen!
Coffee
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Earnest
1919 for instance is easy, Jerusalem was not destroyed in 607 so 1914 and 1919 have no significance, let alone credibility, but Dubs just will not see it.
wobble...the information regarding the Finished Mystery in this thread makes it irrelevant whether Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 and whether the exegesis that arrives at 1914 has any credibility. Even if Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 and God's Kingdom was established in heaven in 1914, there is no way that what they were dispensing in 1919 can be described as food at the proper time. -
wobble
Spot on Earnest ! and welcome back !
I sent a letter to my nephew, he is a serving Elder (conducts the WT study), outlining the preposterous stuff they were teaching in the period, I gave him quotes from the FM and elsewhere.
I asked him to explain how Jesus could possibly have chosen them then, he has never replied, just won't see it.
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coffee_black
Wow, Jeben... I can't watch that whole thing ... I literally started toget sick. I don't even know where to start to respond to the nonsense on that video. I listened to the time slots you listed though... sounds like they believed they were already chosen by 1916, the year that Russell died. And seriously, why would God choose Russell, only to have him die as soon as he was chosen?
The other problem with that is that what they preached was nonsense in 1916... and one would have to believe that having been chosen by God they would publish truth. They didn't. The Finished Mystery was supposedly compiled from Russell's notes and was published in 1917...the book he supposedly planned to publish but died before he could do so.
And why was the symbol of the Sun God RA on the cover of the Finished Mystery? (as well as other books in the Studies in the Scriptures series) I may have missed it, but the video didn't address that.
Coffee
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wannabefree
It must be true, they said it, the FDS wouldn't lie about such a thing. If you can't take their word for it, who can you trust? Are you supposed to believe "worldly" sources about JW's being chosen in 1919 or God's Organization, Inc. ... sheesh ... JW's don't even have to swear an oath because everything they say is true ... how much more credible can you get?