Do we really exist?

cyberjesus

We are made of Atoms, the whole world, our furniture, our skin, the planet and the universe. Even JWs and God-Loving ExJWs in this forum accept it.

But atoms are made of smaller particles, Electrons, Protons, Neutrons. But what are those particles really? Just vibrations of energy. We are made of Vibrations of Energy. So tiny and so fast that in the way they are mixed they form the atoms to all the elements in nature.

So even the things you can touch and feel are really not there. the reason you can go through walls is just because their atoms are so condensed that is difficult to pass. but other atoms like water are so apart that you can actually go though a wall a water(cascade).

Think about it, we our matter is just a bunch a vibrations. The whole world is a mesh of energy and what we see feel and touch is just our interpretation or how our brain process that. We are part of an interconnected mesh of atoms. Even the space where you think there is nothing its populated by energy. Heck even a empty vacuum is not really empty.

So what makes us US is just our awareness that we exist. Thats all. Once we lose that awareness we are just a bunch of atoms like everything else in the universe. In a way we never really die, the only thing that dies is just our conciousness. Interesting isnt it?

So it doesnt really matter if we die, our atoms wont, they have been living for millions of years. We were once part of a Star (yup we all lived in the sun at some point (I know this sounds crazy but that is fact)) the water that you drink today was once part of the urine of the dinosaurs. When you eat lets say shrimp that shrimp becomes part of you. and when you die your atoms will become attach to something else.

But coming back to my original question. Do we really exists? Because even our atoms are not existant, yeah that is a new concept of quantum mechanics. ITs so mind boggling. If our atoms are just energy, if the whole universe is just energy the only difference between being alive and dead is just our awareness of it. My dead relatives are just not aware they arent because their atoms are still here.

Anyway Watch the first video and then the whole bbc series on atoms (3 shows in several parts each show) I wont post it because I rather spend my limited time of consiousness doing something else :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPumskk1dGk&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQy_-wDRlk0

cyberjesus

you know lets just talk about the seventh trumpet in revelation. thats easier to digest.

TastingFreedom

You think, therefore you are... meaning you exist. Those people in ignorance, without questioning or critical thinking don't really exist.

Satanus

" My dead relatives are just not aware they arent because their atoms are still here."

Awareness isn't studied much. A person who learns different forms of meditation can play around w awareness. A sikh person told me that how mind and awareness work was the main point of hinduism. Thus, the sanskrit has words pertaining to this topic that no other language has.

Anyhow, my point is that you cannot be sure that your dead relatives not still aware, but in/on another dimension/plane/level. What exactly, among the atoms that constitutes me or you makes for awareness? Sans atoms, does awareness continue?

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brotherdan

We exist in a very small way physically. Our truer form is a spiritual one. To be absent from the body is to be present with Christ.

I know you hate me for posting that on your science thread cyber...:-) Couldn't help myself.

OnTheWayOut

If energy is self-aware, it exists. If someone believes differently, how does it change our existence or nonexistence? It doesn't.
You still have too much "mass" and suffer clogged arteries if you eat too many Big Macs whether it's philosophically pure energy or philosophically physical mass.

Gregor

Way cool! I am going to send this to my credit card company and hopefully they will change their uptight attitude...

Soldier77

Yes we really exist. We are not only a concious living being, anything alive is somewhat "concious" but the fact that we are aware that we are concious, that makes us intelligent. Uh... wait... that doesn't really answer the question...

So... how 'bout them trumpets of Revelation?

TastingFreedom

Young or Old Lady What do you see in this picture?

Do you see the young lady facing away? Or do you see the old lady looking down?

What is real?

They both are, of course. Both the young lady and the old lady exist in this picture. It’s an optical illusion.

Some people will see a young lady looking away in the picture while other people will see an old lady looking down. Depending on how you look at it, part of the picture might be the young woman’s nose and eyelash, or it might be a wart on the old woman’s nose. What is the young woman’s ear might be the old woman’s eye. What is the young woman’s necklace might be the old woman’s mouth.

The picture itself hasn’t changed. Your mind just emphasizes different parts of it to make it real for you.

If we perceive something to be real, does that make it real? If I perceive myself to be a really good writer, does that fit with reality? Do others perceive me that way, or am I just fooling myself? If it’s my reality, does that make it real?

Here’s another example. How do you perceive your ‘worth’ money-wise?

If you think of yourself as a hard worker and feel that you are ‘worth’, let’s say $50,000 per year, when someone comes along and is willing to pay you, let’s say $85,000, it changes your perception of yourself. (I’m not talking about me in this example)

Your eyes are opened to the possibilities. Wow, my skills are worth $85, 000!

This is why I like reading books on success, personal development, finance, and other genres that get you to change your perception about the world, your life, and your possibilities.

By changing your perception, you change your reality.

Brian Tracy’s ‘ Change Your Thinking, Change Your Life ‘ book is a book that has such a profound impact on my thinking. Some of the more practical concepts that I’ve taken from this book are:

When you believe something to be true, it becomes true for you, whatever the fact may be. “You are not what you think you are, but what you think, you are.”

The fact is that you can never earn much more or less than your self-concept level of income. If you want to make more money, you have to change your beliefs about yourself relative to income and money.

Your aim is to become so confident, courageous, strong, and resolute that you can set any goal for yourself with the firm knowledge that you can learn what you need to learn, and do what you need to do, to eventually achieve it.

The more different things you do that are likely to help you to achieve your goal, the more likely it is you will do the right thing at the right time.

Prosperous and wealthy people have a prosperous and wealthy mind-set. When you develop the same mind-set that other successful people have, you will soon enjoy the same results and experiences that they do.

The greatest wealth you could possibly possess is between your ears. You can create an unlimited future for yourself by tapping into your brainpower and channeling it, like a powerful current, to energize your life and get you anything you really want.

If you generate 20 ideas per day, 5 days per week, 50 weeks per year, you will come up with an astounding total of 5,000 new ideas to improve your life and work each year.

The most important principle of human life is that you become what you think about most of the time. The most successful men and women report the same things. They think about what they want and how to get it most of the time.

In the book, Brian Tracy outlines 6 steps to achieving any goal. They are:

Step 1: Decide exactly what you want
Step 2: Write down your goals
Step 3: Be willing to pay the price
Step 4: Make a detailed plan
Step 5: Take action on your plan
Step 6: Do something every day
Step 7: Never give up

I think Step 1 is the hardest. Once you decide what it is that you want, the other steps just seem to fall into place. At least that’s my experience. If you want something badly enough, chances are that you will do what it takes to achieve it. You will invest in yourself. You will pay the price, whatever it is.

Isn’t it true that many people simply do not want to change that much?

But without change, we become stagnant. Our lives become small.

We do not see see things as they are, we see things as we are. — Anais Nin

How about you? Are you ready to make your perceptions your reality?

cyberjesus

BRother Dan: you are always welcome here. But this science questions doesnt preclude Theist. Even you and the bible are made of atoms. Have you wondered about that? Sound is vibration. When JEsus was on earth he was human therefore he was made of atoms too.

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