Silentlambs: Modern-day Folk Hero?

by Derrick 37 Replies latest jw friends

  • Derrick
    Derrick

    Bill wrote:

    It is hard for wicked men to understand the simple act of compassion. The first comment made to me when approached about the use of attorneys was, "they can have all the money, I just want to stop them from hurting anyone else like the hurt me." Yet money is what survivors disserve above anything else. Money buys therapy and gives them at least one means to find a way to cope with what has happened to them. Yet they care not about these issues but think about the innocence of children and protecting them from the pain they know. A person who sacrifices their pain to protect the innocent.......

    What better way could you define the word Hero?

    That is so true, Bill. It takes the most genuine form of courage from a true "hero" to endure the pain while protecting the innocent, as you also have.

    I am honored to know these "heroes" and I pray when the time comes to stand and deliver that their courage will fuel the fire that destroys what WT policy is doing to children.
    You might recall what Mark Twain once wrote, "It is curious that physical courage should be so common in the world and moral courage so rare."

    As Randy said, you are a rare gem. I consider you a "hero" alongside of the other "heroes" you mentioned for demonstrating moral courage.

    Derrick

    To see a World in a Grain of Sand
    And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
    Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
    And Eternity in an hour.

    -- William Blake (Auguries of Innocence)

  • Norm
    Norm

    Rick,

    You bleated:

    Poor-in-spirit Norm, you continue to perpetrate these lies against God every chance you get. It is quite obvious you are filled with anger against One whom you so thoroughly misunderstand -- even to the point of rage -- and direct your hostility to the One who has blessed you with prosperity in Norway.

    I can't help wondering whom do you thank when good things in life come your way?

    Yes Rick, isn't horrible how the Bible keep LYING about God:

    *** Rbi8 Numbers 31:14-18 ***
    And Moses grew indignant at the appointed men of the combat forces, the chiefs of the thousands and the chiefs of the hundreds who were coming in from the military expedition. 15 So Moses said to them: “Have YOU preserved alive every female? … 17 And now kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has had intercourse with man by lying with a male. 18 And preserve alive for yourselves all the little ones among the women who have not known the act of lying with a male.

    *** Rbi8 Judges 21:10-12 ***
    10 Hence the assembly proceeded to send twelve thousand of the most valiant men there and to command them, saying: “Go, and YOU must strike the inhabitants of Ja'besh-gil'e•ad with the edge of the sword, even the women and the little ones. 11 And this is the thing that YOU should do: Every male and every woman that has experienced lying with a male YOU should devote to destruction.” 12 However, they found out of the inhabitants of Ja'besh-gil'e•ad four hundred girls, virgins, that had not had intercourse with a man by lying with a male. So they brought them to the camp at Shi'loh, which is in the land of Ca'naan.

    Could you please point to the spesific lies in the Bible text above?
    While you are at it maybe you could also explain in what way Jehovah did show how he loved and cared for children in that text above. Of course both you and I know that you will never even try to do that Rick.
    Again, it would also be nice if you could explain how anyone can hate a figment of your imagination, a product of old superstition. How can anyone hate something that doesn't exist Rick?

    When good things in life comes to me Rick it is either because of what I myself do or as a result of that some other human being care for me, or sheer coincidence. I don't have to have som fantasy figure who are responsible for all good or bad things that happens in life. But you are unable to understand such a simple thing, right?

    Norm.

  • sf
    sf

    "...you continue to perpetrate these lies against God every chance you get. It is quite obvious you are filled with anger against One whom you so thoroughly misunderstand..."

    Then help me understand.

    I read what Norm wrote. I concur fully.

    Aren't these children screaming out to GOD in their own breath inside, to help them? Why does the actual act occur then; if indeed GOD SEES ALL AND PROTECTS HIS CHILDREN?

    Sincerely, sKally

  • anewperson
    anewperson

    There's nothing to matter with mentioning God by any reputable name or title like Jah/Yah/Yahweh/Jehovah/Lord/our Father and clearly distinguishing that the wrongs are being done by evil men. All good things come from God and Bill is doing a good deed to both his credit and God's. Up with Jah, down with the Watchtower. Perhaps you are an atheist.

  • You Know
    You Know
    He's the "Knight in Shining Armor" for many young ones across the globe, who were spared from predators moving in for the kill. Who was instrumental amongst Jehovah's Witnesses in chasing these monsters off?

    Huh? What are you talking about? Child molestors haven't been chased off. Who are you trying to fool with this ridiculous nonsense? Sexual predators and apostate spiritual predators, as well as every other sort of evil, will lurk among us until Jehovah's angels physically remove them. I can assure you that Bill Bowen is not going to have anything to do with that. / You Know

  • Norm
    Norm

    anewperson,

    You said:

    All good things come from God
    Please read the word of the Bible and tell what GOOD came from God in this case:

    *** Rbi8 Numbers 31:14-18 ***
    And Moses grew indignant at the appointed men of the combat forces, the chiefs of the thousands and the chiefs of the hundreds who were coming in from the military expedition. 15 So Moses said to them: “Have YOU preserved alive every female? … 17 And now kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has had intercourse with man by lying with a male. 18 And preserve alive for yourselves all the little ones among the women who have not known the act of lying with a male.

    *** Rbi8 Judges 21:10-12 ***
    10 Hence the assembly proceeded to send twelve thousand of the most valiant men there and to command them, saying: “Go, and YOU must strike the inhabitants of Ja'besh-gil'e•ad with the edge of the sword, even the women and the little ones. 11 And this is the thing that YOU should do: Every male and every woman that has experienced lying with a male YOU should devote to destruction.” 12 However, they found out of the inhabitants of Ja'besh-gil'e•ad four hundred girls, virgins, that had not had intercourse with a man by lying with a male. So they brought them to the camp at Shi'loh, which is in the land of Ca'naan.

    Don't try to wiggle out of it, explain what good God was doing here?

    Norm

    PS. Bill is indeed doing a very good job, but can you please tell me what Jah has ever done? Where was this Jah when all these children was molested in the first place? I know Bill would have stopped those from taking place if he could, so would I, but Jah didn't, so again what have jah done?

  • anewperson
    anewperson

    This same thing was on another thread to which I replied the young women were not raped as you presume, Norm, but made servants, God slew but will also resurrect these people (Jn 3:16); so if you want to call God WICKED for slaying, Norm, then will you also judge him FAIR & merciful because of his provision to resurrect them? Repeating your own words just above, will YOU try to "wiggle out" of this?

  • ARoarer
    ARoarer

    Thank You Bill, for all you have done in behalf of all who have been abused and victimized within the congregations. Yes the victims/survivors are definitely heroes for having the courage to speak out in the face of such persecution from the spiritual leaders and even family they trust. But in all fairness, you have taken a wonderfully selfless, and brave step in speaking out. You have been ridiculed, slandered by Watchtower Spin, and abandoned by friends and family, and why? For speaking out about what is wrong, and what is right. Though they have demonized you among the flock, they have a very heavy price to pay. You have done nothing wrong and will be blessed someday, in ways you may be suprised. Look at Mother Theresa and all she stepped up to do for the needy ones. Yes the children are heroes and you are one too for giving them reason to believe there is at least one good elder who cares more about the simple things Christ spoke of and not the arrogant position of lording it over the members.

  • QUEENIE
    QUEENIE

    WHERE WAS you when we needed you? where was the GOD when we needed you dudes 22 yrs ago?? LIVING YOUR LIVES of course !!! I try not to blame GOD--this is people doing all the way around!!! WE have had much worldy psychotherapy and all I can say is MOTHERS can not be in 2 places at once--I know I never could and never will be able to...now it is time for ME to get some private stuff just for me--we will see how it goes in the emotional department ONE DAY AT A TIME..I have a lot of questions regarding how I was treated, etc, as far back as when age 5..I personally have more than one knights in shinning armor they are: DAN HALL (we have met in person) he took his life in his own hands by chancing that / RANDY WATTERS and MARK PALO -- they know who they are..M. Palo has such a sense of humor that we could be on the depths of dispare and in seconds have me laughing uncontrolable and Randy what are you doing on your 50th B/D July 22nd hum and Bill BOWEN I am not leaving you out I decided to leave the BEST for last..EVEN if you had told me to not do what the elder from Verdugo Hills Cong. CALIF told me not to do in filing a police report and seeking heavy duty therapy with SUSAN FORWARD I would have gone ahead and done what I did which included flipping you off behind my back and a few choice words and off I went to keep my appoinment with her in Van Nuys, CA. at the time..22 yrs now it has been and I am damned glad I did it too.SUSAN FORWARD is quite a LADY in my opinion and books.RESPECTFULLY .QUEEN OF APOSTATES OH gosh I never was good at keeping quite during meetings all I wanted to do was visit and gab...HAPPY VALENTINES DAY WORLD

  • Derrick
    Derrick
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    *** Rbi8 Numbers 31:14-18 ***
    And Moses grew indignant at the appointed men of the combat forces, the chiefs of the thousands and the chiefs of the hundreds who were coming in from the military expedition. 15 So Moses said to them: “Have YOU preserved alive every female? … 17 And now kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has had intercourse with man by lying with a male. 18 And preserve alive for yourselves all the little ones among the women who have not known the act of lying with a male.
    *** Rbi8 Judges 21:10-12 ***
    10 Hence the assembly proceeded to send twelve thousand of the most valiant men there and to command them, saying: “Go, and YOU must strike the inhabitants of Ja'besh-gil'e•ad with the edge of the sword, even the women and the little ones. 11 And this is the thing that YOU should do: Every male and every woman that has experienced lying with a male YOU should devote to destruction.” 12 However, they found out of the inhabitants of Ja'besh-gil'e•ad four hundred girls, virgins, that had not had intercourse with a man by lying with a male. So they brought them to the camp at Shi'loh, which is in the land of Ca'naan.

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    Could you please point to the spesific lies in the Bible text above?

    Norm, although the Bible writers were inspired of God to write the canonized scriptures (both Hebrew and Greek), the message was NOT intended to be "perfect." An example of perfection was the ten commandments which Jehovah inscribed in stone for Moses. As you well know the Bible was NOT inscribed by Jehovah directly. It was penned by imperfect humans.

    Now suppose the ten commandments were penned by Moses instead of directly by Jehovah? Can you imagine the possible biases that might creep into the text?

    Then why did Jehovah chose to use ordinary, imperfect and sometimes biased humans to inspired to write down the Biblical account?

    As you may recall in the book of Proverbs, the divinely inspired wise man wrote: "The path of the righteous is like the first gleam of dawn, shining ever brighter till the full light of day." (Proverbs 4:18)

    The Hebrew scriptures are "like the first gleam of dawn," Norm, when the world was in a primitive age and mankind were for the most part barbarians. Jehovah had to work with these primitives, and somehow communicate with them. They related to Jehovah as a God of war, because war is all they knew. Much of the barbarianism you read in the Hebrew scriptures originated from man during the course of God's leading him, ultimately, toward this age of enlightenment, in preparation for the grand finale ... a kingdom of peace and prosperity.

    You might argue that even if Jehovah didn't give the orders to kill those precious little babies and other heinous acts against women and kids, that he bears responsibility. You have argued that God has the power not to sit back and watch bad things to happen to good people. However, in all due respect, your reasoning is marred. You seem to keep ignoring the bigger picture.

    In Isaiah 30:26, notice that Jehovah takes full responsibility for the acts of people whom, in retrospect, we now view as barbarians: "The moon will shine like the sun, and the sunlight will be seven times brighter, like the light of seven full days, when the LORD binds up the bruises of his people and heals the wounds he inflicted."

    This scripture appears to point to an age of enlightenment when knowledge of Jehovah's creation -- from the sciences to earth's geologic history to the human anatomy and its health to moral awareness -- will be abundant amongst humans. The suffering humans endured throughout history and the "bruises" that Jehovah inflicted on people were for a purpose. Although mankind could have obliterated itself, we have reached this present-day golden age of prosperity and spiritual enlightenment. Soon in a symbolic but very real sense the collective light of seven full days of human experience as Jehovah patiently helped his creation reach a spiritual plateau, will shine extremely brightly. So brightly will it shine, that even the Moon that reflects sunlight "will shine like the sun, and the sunlight will be seven times brighter." All these terrible things you point to that mankind has endured through human history are coming to an end, Norm, when Jehovah "binds up the bruises of his people and heals the wounds he inflicted." Again, these wounds were really inflicted by imperfect men but Jehovah takes full responsibility.

    I was determined to keep the explanation simple. I hope you can now understand that there was no other way for Jehovah to bring humanity from its debased state after the fall of Adam and Eve, to its present state of spiritual enlightenment and preparation for the restoration of Eden. This restoration will be accomplished through the divine cleansing our planet to ecological perfection.

    The history of human civilization has without argument been a bloodbath of pain and suffering for all. All of those precious little babies who died, and everyone else for that matter who suffered the wages of our sinful condition brought about from the disobedience of our ancestors Adam and Eve, will return to life someday! They will not remember their pain and suffering, Norm, so why concern yourself? I'm not minimizing it, but this is par for the course in human history. Blaming God when these tragedies were a consequence of God's efforts to SAVE mankind -- and when all concerned will live forever in peace and joy without the memories of their past and primitive lives -- is completely illogical in light mankind's final outcome when Jehovah assures us that "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." (Revelation 21:4)

    Derrick

    To see a World in a Grain of Sand
    And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
    Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
    And Eternity in an hour.

    -- William Blake (Auguries of Innocence)

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