DMCA Complaint from The WatchTower for links to KS-10 'Shepherding' book

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  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    Secrecy

    Just like all JWs look forward to new books at DC elders must look forward to new info they will receive at their special elders courses. Let's face it they are sorely lacking when it comes to dealing with most of the issues they see when counseling the Witnesses. Having a special book would seem like they have some miraculous tool to help them. It makes them feel good - special.

    Plus there is djeggnog's reasoning that of everyone knew what the rules were they could easily work their way around them.

    All this flies in the face that the WTS doesn't make rules for JWs. They are "prinicples" that are meant to guide their spiritually trained consciences. But in reality they are rules which is why the elders need a special book to help them determine what the rules are and how to judge them.

    But of course they don't judge them because no man can judge the heart of a man unless of course he has one of the special books that changes so often that he has to write notes in the margins that were made wider than normal to accommodate all those notes.

    Was that a run-on sentence? phew. I think I am beginning to sound like Farkel and act like OUTLAW

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    I think I am beginning to sound like Farkel and act like OUTLAW.....LadyLee

    LOL!!@LadyLee..

    That is a dangerous combination..You may blow yourself up!..LOL!!

    http://www.war2003action.com/files/iraq_arms_cache_200_rocket_propelled_grenaces_blown_up_apr_4.jpg

    ....................... ...OUTLAW

  • djeggnog
    djeggnog

    @Lady Lee:

    But of course they don't judge them because no man can judge the heart of a man unless of course he has one of the special books that changes so often that he has to write notes in the margins that were made wider than normal to accommodate all those notes.

    Was that a run-on sentence?

    I don't know. Was this one a run-on sentence:

    Like I said, I don't care to elaborate on the obvious here, but do you think it embarrassing for an elder to have to handle a case of a married brother's extramarital affair with a sister for six months with whom he had studied three years ago which affair comes to light a year after the sister's baptism when their affair ended two years earlier is outted by a householder invited to the Kingdom Hall, who sees the brother and his children, and the sister at the Kingdom Hall the same as a case where a sister that has a one-night stand three years ago with someone that becomes a brother six months ago and feels it necessary to unburden himself by reporting the sister's fling with him?

    ? Seriously, @just n from bethel asked:

    What does everybody think - did that sum up eggnog's response?

    I don't know why, but I assume "everyone" included me, but I can up my response in this way:

    I think there are too many people here that care nothing about the future of Jehovahs-Witness.net. The angst they have against Jehovah's Witnesses is what drives them to engage in the criminal conduct which is the subject of this thread, but the problem is that their selfishness in posting links on this site to copyrighted material can adversely impact this site. I think Jehovahs-Witness.net provides a place where folks can vent, and because I can come here and read what people that are in fade or have been disfellowshipped or have disassociated themselves feel, this helps me to become better informed as to what people are thinking and feeling all of the world as Jehovahs-Witness.net is an internet forum.

    Am I being selfish here? Yes, I am, and so what? I don't much care what folks think of what I'm saying here. I don't run this site; I have no interest in this site whatsoever. But some of you people here are also selfish, but in a way that could potentially hurt @Simon (and I don't know the man personally). I don't want this Jehovahs-Witness.net to be hit with a federal injunction. I don't want the stupid ones here to become the target of an investigation launched by law firms hired by the WTS to do one thing, but, as an adjunct to their investigation, launch a witch hunt of their own in order to separate these stupid angry folks from the money in their bank accounts (those not judgment-proof) to settle grievances of federal law that they were not hired by the WTS to conduct.

    As Delaware GOP Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell recently learned (or not!) <g> there is a Bill of Rights here in the US, a First Amendment to the US Constitution, that contains provisions protecting American citizens from government intrusion into religious matters, since "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." If a religious group should decide to create a set of rules or principles that embody the "laws" of the group, it can decide to submit those rules to writing, and if it should decide to submit those rules to writing, to make one publication for its members or one publication for its leaders or one publication each for both its members and its leaders. It may also decide to declare such publications to be confidential so that its membership is prohibited from divulging its contents to non-members.

    In a courtroom, a judge may prohibit female lawyers from appearing in his or her courtroom weaning a pantsuit, and that same judge may prohibit lawyers from appearing in his or her courtroom without a tie and suit coat. That judge may put these rules of his or hers, including these two rules I mention here, in writing, and may restrict the manual containing these rules to just those lawyers that appear in his or her courtroom, and may even sanction any lawyer in whose possession this confidential (and otherwise "secret") manual is found for having it since the manual itself indicates that only lawyers that make appearances in his or her courtroom may have a copy of it.

    If anyone in the public (like a reporter) should find himself or herself with a copy of this judge's confidential manual in his or her possession, the judge may even issue a gag order making the reporter subject to a contempt citation for revealing its contents to anyone else. This does not violate the reporter's First Amendment rights against "Congress ... abridging [his or her] ... freedom ... of the press" since Congress isn't making a law. Neither is the WTS' prohibiting any unauthorized person from obtaining a copy of the new textbook violating anyone's First Amendment rights where "Congress [is] ... prohibiting the free exercise [of religion]" since Congress isn't making a law either.

    No one has a right to obtain a copy of any document controlled by a religious group unless it can be proved that that document contains content that violates the civil rights of an American citizen. This is just how things work in the US. I cannot tell anyone here what to do, but, please, get your anger against Jehovah's Witnesses under control, for I do not wish to see the business of this site foreclosed or interrupted for any length of time because of your selfishness, which affects not just @Simon, but the people that come to this site to vent.

    @djeggnog

  • booby
    booby

    This just in = YouTube has just been closed down by the federal government. Apparently some person who cared not for the fact that many people enjoy the service and using it in a proper way posted copy-righted material. This left the government with no other resort than to close down the site.

  • compound complex
    compound complex

    Thank you, djeggnog, for your well-informed commentary: your approach is intelligent, objective, non-inflammatory. I knew nothing of the legal ramifications of which you speak prior to your posting here, but I have the impression that you are duly educated in these matters [you may have mentioned this as your line of work].

    I appreciate your cool yet concerned efforts.

    Gratefully,

    CoCo

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Booby..

    You tube is still there..

    ..................... ...OUTLAW

  • booby
    booby

    more news just in = inspite of the efforts to stop the embarrassing info against the us of a the us government has been left impotent in the face of wiki-leaks or some such upshot site. They were considering closing down the Internet completely but Al Gore said "Nooo you don't" and thus the closure was averted. But then there erupted a bruhaha involving Jehovah the creator of the universe in that some were linking to a book that he himself through holy spirit had directed his named people on earth to publish. As a result has instructed his governing body on earth to take steps to close down the internet by midnight tonight. Jehovah was actually not at al reluctant since the internet was already a thorn in the side of the gb because there followers were being plagued by porn pop-ups.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    LOL!!@Booby!!..

    Humour..I get it..Ar!..Ar!..

    ..................... ...OUTLAW

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    The case of You Tube is in Germany. They were not forced to shut down but they were forced to pay damages. See:

    http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number8.17/copyright-case-germany-youtube

  • shepherd
    shepherd

    I am not really new, I just don't normally comment. However I am reading too much uninformed opinion regarding DMCA and needless panic that I thought I should.

    djeggnog, you are right that the material is copyright and as such it cannot be legally hosted and shared with others. You are completely wrong, however, if you think posting a third-party link is illegal - it is not. Let me repeat that - it is not illegal to post a link to a third party site, even a file hosting site.

    "I don't want this Jehovahs-Witness.net to be hit with a federal injunction." - This is BS, it will not and can not happen simply because someone posts some links. DMCA targets the site HOSTING the files.

    So, back to reality - Simon has asked that links are not posted, and it is his site and we should respect that. He may receive a complaint from Ronald L. Slater or Gregory Allen, the two who are monitoring this site and sending out the DMCA notices from Bethel, and they can also complain to his ISP. This could cause a temporary disruption of service because no one like to get a lawyer's letter. So, it is best to do as Simon asks.

    As for the book in question, it has gone viral - it is all over the Internet now, and for every file that gets removed, 2 more take its place. That is the nature of the Internet. The DMCA notices are damage control but it is too late to remove it from public access. WTBTS knows that, but hey, it keeps these guys busy instead of helping out in the laundry room or getting a real job.

    Am I qualified to express an opinion? Yes - I am actively involved with DMCA law on a daily basis.

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