(For Christians) Why should Muslims question the Koran?

by SweetBabyCheezits 36 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  PSacramento

  Look at the fruit that "Christians" have brought forth, based on the bible, the Crusades, Slavery, Apartheid, Misogyny and on and on.

  The first crusade was in direct response to Islamic expansion, slavery existed long before ANY holy book, Apartheid was a corruption of what the NT taught, misogyny ??

  Christianity is NOT to balme for any of that, though those that have corrupted christian teachins ( like many muslim leades have doen to the teachings of Islam) are indeed to blame for thei complacency.

  To condemn the book on the basis of what the readers of it, or more like, the believers in it, have done, and still do, is a little unfair, and will not hit the mark.

  All members of all religions would do well to examine the religion as whole, along with its sacred writings.as LWT said.

  Agreed.
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  leavingwt

  The answer is YES. He is already condemned.

  Romans 9:10

  And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad--in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls-- 12 she was told, "The older will serve the younger." 13 As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." 14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.

  This seems very straight-forward, to me. God "hates" some people. They are screwed. They were screwed before they were ever born. Nothing will thwart God's will.
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  BurnTheShips

  In Wahab Arabia, Koran questions YOU
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  Deputy Dog

  leavingwt

  This seems very straight-forward, to me. God "hates" some people. They are screwed. They were screwed before they were ever born. Nothing will thwart God's will.

  So if you are really concerned about being one of those who are "screwed" as you put it, what are your options going to be? What makes you think it's God's will for YOU?
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  leavingwt

  So if you are really concerned about being one of those who are "screwed" as you put it, what are your options going to be? What makes you think it's God's will for YOU?

  Good question.

  IF I was concerned, would I have a CHOICE? You've used the word "options", which suggests that I have a choice.
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  Deputy Dog

  leavingwt

  IF I was concerned, would I have a CHOICE? You've used the word "options", which suggests that I have a choice.

  Men are faced with "choices" every day. The bible is clear when dealing with the choices of believers. If you're truly a believer, you will ask God for mercy and he promises to deliver.

  The point is that "faith" or belief is a gift from God, because it drives you to Christ.
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  DanaBug

  With respect, these Muslims are talking about smuggling four pounds of Anthrax into the US and spreading it like confetti over the White House lawn to kill 330, 000 American in a single hour in the name of Allah, the god of the Qur'an. What similar terror plots do you hold born again Christians to?

  I don't know if they're born again but: Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, Scott Roeder, the Army of God, the Hutaree, and previously the KKK (they're not much of a threat anymore), etc. Around the world, Russia, Northern Ireland, Uganda, Romania all have problems with Christian terrorists.

  We definitely have a problem with the Middle East. I don't dispute that. But assuming that Islam is a religion of terrorism, when many of our fellow Americans practice that religion, love it dearly and love this country too, is just wrong. Muslims in the middle east make up less than 20% of muslims around the world, it's just not fair to judge the whole religion based on those. Just as it wouldn't be fair to judge all christians based on the Christians in Africa who are beating and killing children accused of being witches. There are extremists in all religions. Any holy text can be twisted to justify horrendous acts. Terrorism has no religion and is indiscriminate in its attacks.

  Dispatches: Return to Africa's Witch Children (1 of 5)

  I also find it fascinating that Christians believe some are condemned by God before they are born. That's insane to me. Because they didn't have the fortune to be born in a Christian nation?? Where's the mercy and love in that?
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  wobble

  "To what similar terrorist plots do you hold born again christians to ?" asked Chalam.

  How about the terrorist plot to H-bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WW2 ? a plot that was actually carried out and killed thousands, and terror ensued. a plot carried out by born again christians. (lets not argue about born again, just christians then.)

  "some followers of the book kill thousands in their holy war and the book is in no way to blame?"

  Yes, followers of the bible killed thousands in their holy wars i.e WW1 and WW2 ,both blessed by christian clergy, I suppose the book,(the Bible) may be to blame in part, but what I was saying in my post was , if you want the follower, christian or muslim, to examine his beliefs and actions, it is not good to attack his holy book, be it the bible or the Quran.

  Chalam claims to have examined Islam and found it not to be a religion of peace, I would humbly ask that you read some more, say Karen Armstrong's "Islam- a short history" and you may come to see that the problems come , not from holy books, not from what the world religions really teach, but from corruption of teachings and ideas by evil men and women who have been radicalised by others to the point where they do not represent their claimed religion, and are prepared to carry out unspeakable acts.
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  PSacramento

  Yes, followers of the bible killed thousands in their holy wars i.e WW1 and WW2 ,both blessed by christian clergy, I suppose the book,(the Bible) may be to blame in part, but what I was saying in my post was , if you want the follower, christian or muslim, to examine his beliefs and actions, it is not good to attack his holy book, be it the bible or the Quran.

  Followers of the bible can no more be blamed for deaths in a war than atheists and advocates of secular ideoligies can be blamed for Stalin, Mao, Pot, Kim, etc, etc.
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  Mad Dawg

  I have seen the Roman verses used to support Calvinism. What is often overlooked is the phrase, "As it is WRITTEN". When were the statments written? The one about Jacob was written after his birth, referring to what God said after Jacob's birth. That He hates Esua was written about a thousnd years after the death of Esau in the book of Malachi.

  As for our Muslim friend, the question is how high did God set the bar pertianing their salvation? What Baptists and others forget is that everyone before Christ that found salvation, did so without knowing the name of Jesus. Can a person today be saved without knowing the name of Jesus? I suspect yes. Would such a person just go on as before? No. With Christ in his life, there will be growth. The difference between those who have and have not heard the name of Jesus can be summed up with "To whom much is given, much is required".