(For Christians) Why should Muslims question the Koran? (page 3)

Deputy Dog

I also find it fascinating that Christians believe some are condemned by God before they are born.

What makes you think it's just "some" who are condemned?

What's amazing, is that God chooses to save some before He created the world.

leavingwt

Men are faced with "choices" every day. The bible is clear when dealing with the choices of believers. If you're truly a believer, you will ask God for mercy and he promises to deliver.

The point is that "faith" or belief is a gift from God, because it drives you to Christ.

(Help me out, here. I grew up in mostly Arminian traditions.)

First, because of no choices/actions that I've done, God must choose me, giving me faith, right? Then, if he does this, isn't the Holy Spirit irrepressible, meaning I will not be able to resist it?

cyberjesus

aside from a blind faith in the Koran (and, in turn, Allah) he is an intelligent and logical thinker

oxymoron alert.

Blind faith intelligent logical thinker.

What is bad is bad no matter how you turn it. When someones justifies a bad action (War, crimes, etc) by saying that other do it too..... its called justification, by saying God commanded it, its called justification. by not wanting to even consider it, its called justification.

People will justify their beliefs. There is no logical thinking unless you are willing to put your own beliefs on the line.

simon17

I would approach from the fact of how other to other religions THEY are born into are just as devout as he.

Q's:

* You agree that, as much as you deeply believe your belief to be right, the same exact feeling is felt by devout Catholics, Jews, Hindus, JWs, etc etc etc, yes?

* What is God's view of such ones (actually this answer may even surprise you and will determine the rest of the conversation... eventually you'll pin down that Islamic is the RIGHT way)

* Had you been born Christian in a Christian land, what religion would you be now? What religion would your dad be right now if he had been raised in a christian? Your mom? Your Immam? (Sp?) Your brothers/sister? All your friends?

Going in that direction will usually get people into one of two corners... God is either wildly unfair in the way in which he allows humans to attempt to reach him OR Muslims are inherently better and more religious than anyone. He's not going to be in either corner.

There are other discussions points that you can do very much the same thing. Ask him why demons are in the world? Who created them, etc etc etc...

You can also attack the unity of Muslims in general to show its not an us vs. you religious issue. What does his female family wear on their heads? Are they simply dressed modestly? Are they veiled with headcovers? Are they wearing burkas (sp?)? Whatever the case may be, probably not the latter, then there is entire muslim nations with THEIR interpretation of the Quran under which the behaviour of the women in his life would be considered obscene and worthy of punishment. Further: do the women in his life get educated? Can they walk hand in hand with their significant other? etc etc etc. The wildly different application of Islamic law is just as staggering as the wildly different denominations of the Christian sect.

cyberjesus

Simon you sound like you are in field service ;-)

simon17

Simon you sound like you are in field service ;-)

Well the TMS tought me something lol... Not really... but it does help build you in you some public speaking skills and reinforces the core concepts of building a persuasive argument. Now... applying what I know after, if the persuasive argument is ALSO logical, its even harder for the object haha

Deputy Dog

leavingwt

First, because of no choices/actions that I've done, God must choose me, giving me faith, right? Then, if he does this, isn't the Holy Spirit irrepressible, meaning I will not be able to resist it?

I'm not sure I understand your question. The Holy Spirit is God.