Do you agree to disagree?

cyberjesus

Sometimes in many conversations or debates, some people try to end it by saying "I agree to disagree". If you have an inquisitive mind and critical thinking, are you comfortable disagreeing about factual information?

I am not referring to opinion. That is relative. Do you give up when the other persons wont agree with you?

Do you think you are trying to prove yourself right?

In an honest debate, when the other side presents evidence that disproofs your point... do you recant and change your opinion no matter how hurtful it might be?

Did you know that your brain will defend its held beliefs even in the presence of evidence? That is a natural evolutionary reaction. Can you beat evolution for the sake of reason?

sabastious

More often than I would like.

I have found out not too many people perceive the world like I do.

-Sab

mouthy

I do say I agree to disagree & I mean it believe what the hell you want ,I dont have to agree & probably WONT

VampireDCLXV

With many folks, it takes time for things to sink in, CJ. It doesn't just happen automatically that folks say "OMG! You're absolutely right! What a fool I've been!". You gotta give em time. Logic-chopping doesn't get you anywhere.

Other times, your points aren't as unassailable, logical and as completely factual as you might think. There are people who can make their case and verbalize it better than most others, but that doesn't make it the complete and utter gospel truth. Just because something to you seems perfectly logical and self evident doesn't mean that others are going to see it the same way. As Pontius Pilate said: "What is truth"?

If you think it's all for lack of intelligence, I will disagree with you on the spot!

Just my $0.02,

V665 V665

cyberjesus

Just because something to you seems perfectly logical and self evident doesn't mean that others are going to see it the same way

This is based on the premise that you are right. But in an honest debate. You want to defend your position, if your position can stand the test. But if it cant then you care more for the truth than your position.

In a debate I dont want to be right. I want to have the truth even if I am wrong.

Markfromcali

Can you beat evolution for the sake of reason?

What is "beating" evolution? Perhaps we can say it's further evolution though considering the nature of evolution is to continue to change.

It seems clear that neuroplasticity and the fact that training can actually cause physical changes in the brain is a basis that we are not strictly hardwired in a deterministic way.

In essence, people are interested in being somebody regardless of what that identity consists of, but nobody tends to be interested or even notice the capacity to become different than they are. If you constantly exercise that capacity it's kind of hard to be stuck in particular views, if nothing else even if you don't change the basics you will be a lot more sophisticated in your understanding of things.

It may be helpful if there is a lack of interest in the social reality where things are framed in terms of agreeing or disagreeing. If you are only interested in the ideas themselves, why would you focus on how that relates to what other people think?

cyberjesus

MARK: the idea that JUSTIFICATION is a natural reaction to help you sleep at night, to help you live your life even when you know that what you do is not right or that some held beliefs dont make sense, hence an evolutionary treat. By being aware of it and by going against it, you beat evolution (that preserves you) for the sake of reason.... Kind of using condoms.

Darth plaugeis

You can understand the other view without agreeing. In a debate it can get heated but why try to disscuss when One person refuses to even listen to the other view!

I refuse to ever discuss Politics with anyone.

Just because 80% of the time all it is is Speech after clever speech.

brotherdan

I agree to disagree. However, I am done on this site. This isn't an empty claim like some have given in the past.

I used the analogy before, but if you went to a site full of angry people that:

Called your mother, wife, brother, or whever dirty names, would you want to continue talking to them? My answer: No, I don't. I can have honest conversations and agree that I don't have all the facts or resources needed to prove a given subject. But when it resorts to name calling (including calling God dirty names) that's when I'm done. I don't care to know some of the people on the site. They are bitter and angry and aren't good for me. I sometimes get the same feeling on this site as I did at the Kingdom Hall. I'm not going to contribute arguments that allow others to preach their hate of God and possibily influence others to reject God.

I haven't made any threat like "You'll see what happens to you", like has been claimed by some. All I've said is that when the time comes (whether through death or Christs second coming) WE will see who is right and who is not. If I'm right, too bad for you. If your right, then wow...how horrible. I spent my life believing in morals and values that God gave me. I will not be sorry for following those. If you love sin and want to practice what you want, that is fine by me. But I'mnot happy in sin.

So this is goodbye. Thanks for the help in getting out of the cult. But thanks for nothing in your attempts to destroy the faith of other people (inluding mine).

Darth plaugeis

Sorry to hear that BroDan.... I always liked you and don't think I ever called you Names...

I hope everything works out for you.

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