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Lozhasleft

Hi Mylaine - I think her approach is to tell us what works for her and suggests we might try it...she definitely isnt looking for personal followers.

Loz x

I too have wanted to say something for a long time about the over use of "may you have peace" and "dear one" by AGuest. ( stopped reading his/her posts because of them ) Since my first visit here, I've found those phrases to be very condesending. Perhaps I've been taking it wrong...but to me, these are inappropriate expressions to use while in a discussion with virtual strangers. When you refer to someone you haven't even met, as a "dear one", it comes across as sarcastic. Rather than an expression of kindness from someone you know, it becomes more like a pat on the head from one who is amused by your silly views and thinks of you as lower than themselves....as if you are being humored. ( exactly the desired effect intended, me thinks.) Can you imagine the reaction of an audience listening to a debate team or public discussion, if one of those involved began using these experssions? "There there dear one...those of us in the know realize someone of your low mentality is easily excitable...run along with your little notions...and let me take care of thinking for you...may you have peace (like I do)" It reminds me of this Caftan clad, Beret wearing, naturopath visiting, no deoderant using "sister" at the hall I used to attend. She used these expressions and had no idea how smug she sounded and was clueless as to how people were reacting to her. She came across as someone who was extremely sure of her own salvation...and thought of herself as being on the same level as the Apostles from whom she "lifted" these expressions. These words loose their meaning when used too often and out of context. The spirit of the intended message, however noble, is lost because of them. Just my opinion ( sweetie )

myelaine

dear exwhyzee...

that was "whithering"...for me and I don't say nearly as much as AGuest.

love michelle

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Vicosovich_R..

1 post under your Belt..And..You Attack a Long Time Respected poster?..

You might want to learn about "Aguest",before you Run your Mouth..

She has No Followers nor is she looking for any..She hurts No One..

Nor does she Ask for Anything

She has Many Friends here..Christian..And..Non Christian like myself..

It makes No Difference to Her,or Us..

Now Behave youself,before you get the Boot..

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AGuest

What the...???? Ummm... greetings, dear Vicosovich_R... and may you have peace!

Do you believe that just because you start your posts with, "may you have peace," that you are genuinely kind?

Me? Kind? Absolutely NOT! I am not kind. Whoever said THAT? Certainly not ME. Indeed, I have OFTEN said that, while I can BE nice... I am not nice.

When in actuality, when you greet people with that message, then follow it with sarcasm and snide remarks, you are really being cruel. When was cruelty ever synonymous with being faithful?

Wait. You "introduce" yourself to me with harsh, even hateful, words... and say that I am sarcastic and snide... cruel even? What is UP with all of these RAFTERS all of a sudden?? May I ask you... and I really am NOT being sarcastic, snide, or cruel... what does faith have with being kind? Faith is in ADDITION to kindness... and a "fruit" I am still working on. But, I hate to be the one to point it out, but the statement is NOT that a man (or woman) be found "kind"... but faithful.

How is your view from up there?

Actually, the view is actually from "down" here (which I will get to in a moment). That you are "speaking" AT me as you are should prove that. Certainly, you would never even THINK to speak in such a way to one you truly believed WAS above you, would you? Then, again...

How many people will you "reprimand" for not having faith, for not being loving, before you turn the mirror inward and see for yourself that you need to tell yourself the things you so (un)lovingly dished out?

Reprimand??? Who in the world have I reprimanded??? Now, I may have responded to someone who commented unkindly to me... in a manner that such one finds hard to bear... but, well, I mean... is THIS not a reprimand? Again, with that rafter...

You have made yourself the authority, the lord's right hand as I see it.

Yes, but as YOU see it is... well... irrelevant, isn't it?

What will it take before you see the error of your ways?

Surely you KNOW: for my Lord to TELL me, reveal it to me. And he does! The wonderful thing is that I listen to HIM... and so get the opportunity to "fix" my "nakedness"... before the lights all come one. Is that the case with you? Perhaps, we'll have to see.

Many people on the board seem to believe you, but to what extent?

And that "bothers" you... why?

Would it bother you to know that they do not really believe in your lord, but only in your strong conviction?

Not at ALL! Did not one say, "As you contemplate how their conduct turns out... IMITATE THEIR FAITH"?

Remember, as witnesses, we were trained not to lead, but to follow.

Okay, forgive me, but I almost choked there. Are you seriously suggesting that I "remember" what I learned from THEM... those who CONSTANTLY tout the words "Remember those taking... wait for it... THE LEAD among you??" You truly misunderstand me, dear one. I am not leading anyone. I really am following. But I am following only One: Christ. Wherever HE goes.

Is it a surprise then, that many on this board have "flocked" to you?

What "many"??? WHERE?? Can someone (how 'bout you, OTWO... since you obviously know)... please "enlighten" this poor unseeing soul?

Or perhaps your haughtiness blinds you from seeing the truth?

That many have "flocked" to me? REALLY?? Well, where the heck are they... and why aren't they putting you in YOUR place, right now? Because... they don't exist. I have a few friends here, yes. Loved ones. MORE than dear ones, in my heart. Two or three have weighed in here. Two... or three. Yessir, and whole FLOCK!!

I will not begin my letter bidding you peace if it is not in my heart.

By all means, do not.

That is hypocrisy, if you ask me.

See, now, here's the thing: I did not ask you. Actually, I can't see where anyone asked you. Yet...

Nor will I end my letter with greetings of love and fuzzy wuzzy kindness if I do not have genuine love for you;

Couple things, here. One, you shouldn't if you don't really mean it. Because, as you said, that is hypocrisy. Two, you might want to ask why it is that you DON'T have genuine love for me. For a couple/few reasons: first, love is a fruit of God's holy spirit and so, if you don't have love... then there's really no reason for me to listen to you, is there? Second, aren't you supposed to have love for me... even if I DON'T have love for YOU? I mean, I'm assuming that you perceive yourself as a "christian" an all, given your "reminder" about what we "learned" in the WTBTS. Third, am I not entitled to such love... even if I'm your enemy?

So, how is it you think it has any affect on ME... that you don't have genuine love for me? Is it not YOU who is affected? For example, is not that LACK of love the very reason you are SO angry... at me... now? If you're so... ummmm... right... where is YOUR love for ME... regardless of how you view me?

[Aw, shoot... there goes another "rafter". Did someone mention a mirror? Better be a pretty big one... 'cause someone has a little sump'in-sump'in in their eye. Or maybe a BIG sump'in-sump'in...]

that would be a blatant lie on my end, and an insult to your intelligence.

Well, it would be the first if you truly didn't love me (which, again, you need to ask yourself why that is because regardless of what you THINK of me, that you do not have love for me is not MY fault... or MY problem). It wouldn't be the second, however: I would know you were faking. My Lord, the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, has a way of revealing such things to those who belong to him. Always has. It's how Peter knew Ananias and Sapphira to be the fakes THEY were.

Please, stop and smell the coffee. What lies within you?

Well, on my own... there's is a whole lot of sinful stuff. Praise JAH, One has given HIS blood to cover over all the "junk." Which is why I slave for him. You know, why I subject myself to the tirades of folks like you. I do it for him... my love for him... and those HE loves. Which includes you (although, it's obvious that you don't quite get that...).

Do you even know?

Oh, yeah...

Have you even bothered to ask?

Ummmm, that's how I know...

And no, of course you do not have to tell me or anyone else your findings if you decide to embark on this important personal endeavor.

Ummmm, been there, done that. I have nothing to hide. Something YOU want to know, in particular?

You don't answer to me;

You... are... kidding... right?? If I don't answer to you, dear one... then why are you QUESTIONING me??

you must only answer to God.

I ask YOU, again... then, why are YOU questioning me?

You are NOT the only one who hears Him, remember.

I don't even know how to respond to that. You are chastising me for saying what I hear from him... in the same breath that you are saying that I am not the only one who hears him? Seriously? Well, then, tell us, please, what he's saying to YOU... especially about your lack of love... for ME? And please, take care here, when you respond. IF you respond.

As for these people on the board "following" you, you must remember that many of them (as ex-witnesses) are looking for another leader, another anointed one they can follow...

And that is my fault?

because they don't know that they can get it themselves, directly from Him.

Obviously, you haven't paid a WORD of attention to what I've said to them on this matter...

So, shame on you for leading these people, not to the Lord, but to yourself, and in turn, to the adversary.

And just who are these people... and how have I led them to the Adversary? Good Lordy, you are making me understand Paul more and more. He apparently was in a similar situation; only difference is... people WERE following HIM... and Apollos. I haven't heard a SINGLE person on this board say, in almost 10 years, "I follow/belong to Shelby." Not one. You know something I don't? Where ARE all these PEOPLE? Can SOMEONE tell me what the heck this person is speaking about??

If you remember, stumbling your brother is a great offense, and one that should not be taken lightly.

And, yet, you have absolutely NO problem stumbling ME... by telling ME that I should STOP doing as my Lord directs ME... and do as YOU say/believe. Did I get that right? Are YOU know MY leader?? Methinks you might have a whole forest growing out of one of those eyes, dear one. A grove, at least...

If you even care to find out if this accusation is true, then it would be wise not to jump the gun, but to seriously reflect on yourself, so you may really be able to discern whether this accusation is a lie spawned by the adversary, or the truth, and a merciful warning from your Lord. Quickly, I implore you to do so, before you create too big a stumbling block for yourself and others.

Since it is, as YOU'VE so kindly stated... an "accusation"... I think I'm to choose not to listen to it all, if you don't mind. Rather, I am going to listen to my Lord who JUST reminded me of how HAPPY I am because you made it.

Remember, what goes up must eventually come down.

Indeed! Would you be too offended if I exhorted you to make sure you have on some crash gear? I hope not because I am only doing so out of love. 'Cause it really could be quite a bumpy ride for you... on the way down.

If you had not seated yourself so high on the pedestal, there would be no cause for worry.

Ahhhh... yes. Well, to be honest with you, my Lord has shown me where I am "seated"... and, really, I am just fine. Absolutely. But so that YOU know, he directs me to share that with you now (he said it was so that you would weep... and gnash your teeth... even louder... to help the servants locate you):

In my vision I was sitting at the end of a very long table. VERY long. To my right and left were people I knew. The garments of the people and chairs they occupied got even more glorious as they moved away from my end of the table. My chair... was a very plain, wooden plank. A rough-hewn board. But I didn't care. I was so glad to even BE at the table that I was grinning like a Cheshire cat!

At some point, my Lord left HIS seat... WAY at the far other end... and came down to where I was sitting. He stood just to my left... and held out his hand. I was startled, but okay. He said to me, "Come, child." I looked at his hand for a moment and then I said, "No, Lord, but I am fine right here. Here is the best seat for ME." He held his out again, and invited me again, saying "Come with me." And again, I said, "No, Lord, I prefer to stay here."

A look of hurt came across his face and he said, "Are you rejecting me?" and I could see that he was NOT pleased. I said, "NO, Lord, I am not rejecting YOU, not at all! But I cannot come with you!" He asked me "Why is that, child?" And I said, "Because... they won't like it."

He then asked me, "Who won't like it, child? Is this not MY table? Are they to decide who sits where at my table?" I said, "No, Lord, but I can't take it. They will hate me for it."

And so, he left.

A little while later, however, he came back and offered his hand again. I started to say no, again, but this time I allowed myself to trust that since I was with HIM, well, what could THEY say? I did not know who "they" were... but I was shaking with fear when I stood up, took my Lord's hand, and began to follow him, keeping my eyes on the floor.

As I walked past those seated at the table, those who had been on my left greeted me with smiles and warmth. Because of this, I gained confidence and began to look up. And then it happened: I saw the faces of the people who had been seated on my RIGHT... and... oh my God. I have never SEEN such anger and hatred! And it got worse as I passed on. The people on my left greeted me with love; the people on my right... were so angry, they actually began to look grotesque. And then... their clothing began to CHANGE! It went from white, glorious garments... to soiled, filthy, rags. I was SO frightened, I let go of my Lord's hand and ran all the way back to my little wooden seat!

I sat there and cried and cried! I loved him but I was so mad at him for "tricking" me... for letting me be subjected to such an ugly, frightening scene! I was afraid to even look up until a heard a great commotion and then the words of my Lord. He had directed the servants to grab those on my right... remove them from the table... and cast them OUT of the house! I thought, omigosh, he DOES care!

And then, the singular most marvelous thing that has EVER happened to ME... spirit OR body... occurred: my Lord came back and stood next to me. He called for the attention of everyone at the table. Everyone. All the way down. And he said... and I will NEVER forget his words, that the night was a night of rejoicing... and the little seat on which I was sitting, the little rough plank... was now the seat of honor in his house... and that whoever sat on IT... was not a least one... but a great one... in his house. And I cried... and cried... and cried. But they were tears of joy because by then there was no one at the table to give even a thought of illwill. Not a one. THIS time everyone at the table rejoiced.

And guess what? The next time I saw this vision... we were ALL seated on that little plank. All of us. Somehow, we all managed to squeeze onto it. And there was NO ONE sitting in the other chairs. Not a soul. I had not seen this vision in some years. Thank you for allowing him to remind me of it.

But because you have, then you should worry.

I am not worried, at all, dear one, truly. I most probably wouldn't have thought of that vision today had you not made this post. Thank you, truly. I am indebted to YOU... for reminding me of who I am... where I really AM "seated" in his house... and by this, what I truly mean to my Lord. Thank you - I truly needed that.

I will leave you with this last thought: I'd like you to ask yourself, "why is this person doing this?"

No, dear one. I am not going to ask that... because I already know the answer. I'm just hoping that perhaps YOU will see why... and change your side at the table. Or at least, keep your garments clean.

You could dismiss me by saying that I am jealous, or perhaps I am either the devil or from the devil, or have a hidden agenda...

I could. But, nahhhh, I don't think I need to. If that's the case, others will see it without my pointing it out.

but unless you use discernment and run this accusation through a very fine sieve, then you will never know.

Again, because it is an accusation... I am not going to allow myself to even consider it, sorry.

It would be to your advantage to find out.

Perhaps. But I am, admittedly, quite a foolish thing, and so I think I'll pass. I may pay for it later, yes, but the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, is merciful and so, of course, is His Son and Christ, the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, my Lord... who held out his hand to me. If I've done something wrong, he will let me know. And he will forgive me. If I've done nothing wrong, he will let me know that, too. In the meantime, perhaps you will find a way to move past wherever it is in your lack of love... toward love... by forgiving me, too.

I bid you the greatest of love and peace, truly.

YOUR servant and a very grateful slave of Christ, grateful that there is no person... or thing... on this EARTH... that would make me feel about another as you apparently feel about me... and that MY Lord has taught ME to love YOU... in spite of what you say about me,

SA

notverylikely

who the heck is GED dummy?

3dogs1husband

Vicosovich_R most definetly came from a Kingdom Hall! Maybe he is not a newbie to the board but someone who just joined with another profile to slam AGuest? AGuest, anyone on here out to get you?

ProdigalSon

Hey Shelby,

My favorite channeler, Kryon, uses phrases like "dear one" and "peace to you".... and I think he's the closest thing to God on the Internet. So keep right on doing what you're doing, 'cause we may not always agree, but we like you....

~PS

AGuest

I too have wanted to say something for a long time about the over use of "may you have peace" and "dear one" by AGuest. (stopped reading his/her posts because of them) Since my first visit here, I've found those phrases to be very condesending. Perhaps I've been taking it wrong...but to me, these are inappropriate expressions to use while in a discussion with virtual strangers. You may consider them inappropriate, dear XYZ (peace to you!), but they are in obedience to what my Lord has instructed me to do. And so… I do it. Because I love him and it’s such a little thing that he asks of me, you know, and a “kind” thing he has taught me to do toward others. Even if I don’t particularly like them… When you refer to someone you haven't even met, as a "dear one", it comes across as sarcastic. Rather than an expression of kindness from someone you know, it becomes more like a pat on the head from one who is amused by your silly views and thinks of you as lower than themselves....as if you are being humored. ( exactly the desired effect intended, me thinks.) Interesting. I do it so that no one thinks that I care LESS about them… and than I do another. In my eyes, you are all “dear”. If not to me, then to my Lord. And if you are dear to HIM… then you MUST be dear to ME. Can you imagine the reaction of an audience listening to a debate team or public discussion, if one of those involved began using these expressions? If I were on such a team, I would follow the “rules” of the team/debate/discussion. I cannot see where there is a rule HERE against greeting others with a wish for peace… or calling them “dear.” I DO consider it a "rule" from my Lord. Have I missed something? "There there dear one...those of us in the know realize someone of your low mentality is easily excitable...run along with your little notions...and let me take care of thinking for you...may you have peace (like I do)" But, see, that is how YOU’RE taking it (Eccl. 7:25 might help you overcome this)… not how I say… or mean it… at all. So, isn’t yourself you should be looking at – why you take offense when someone is greeting you with PEACE?? It reminds me of this Caftan clad, Beret wearing, naturopath visiting, no deoderant using "sister" at the hall I used to attend. She used these expressions and had no idea how smug she sounded and was clueless as to how people were reacting to her. She came across as someone who was extremely sure of her own salvation...and thought of herself as being on the same level as the Apostles from whom she "lifted" these expressions. Ah! Perhaps that is why you have a problem with ME… because I remind you of someone else! But I cannot see how that is my fault. What you’re suggesting is, in essence, that I become a pretty much benign person, indeed, disappear altogether. Otherwise, I risk “reminding” someone of someone they don’t like. First, that’s not going to happen, dear one. Second… it SO reminds of JWs I used to know… who always rolled their eyes when someone actually had something interesting… even intelligent… to say. If it didn’t have “faithful and discreet slave” in the same sentence, it wasn’t “worthy” of them. These words loose their meaning when used too often and out of context. To some, perhaps. Certainly to those who don't receive them to begin with. Never had any meaning for them, to start with. But I don't always do it for "them" - sometimes, I do it for me... to remind me of what "they" mean to my Lord. The spirit of the intended message, however noble, is lost because of them. On some, yes. But I think, really, that’s that really how it’s supposed to be. Some aren't SUPPOSED to listen… or get it… if it’s not FOR them. Know what i mean ? Just my opinion (sweetie) Yes, of course it is. But I still bid you peace, dear one… as off the mark as your opinion might be. Doesn’t diminish you in my mind… or heart… one bit. YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

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Hey Shelby!..

Check your PM`s..

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