"The Pedophile's Guide To Love And Pleasure" [removed from Amazon.com]

by minimus 28 Replies latest jw friends

• 

  Terry

  Ahhhhh, the slippery slope of book banning and censorship reveals a striking flaw in Free Speech lovers!

  Pressure in the marketplace is a freedom of great power when it comes to boycott.

  The Civil Rights movement was at its most effective when blacks in the South refused to do business with white racist-segregationist businesses.

  It brought them to their knees and true progress was made at last.

  Back to the Pedophile book......

  Banning a book is serious.

  No sane person who is a parent will jump to defend the ideas in a book on how to include an underage child in sexual misadventure with an adult.

  At the same time---banning such a book is censorship.

  Is there a way to accomplish some good without banning the book?

  YES!

  Pressure in the marketplace.

  And this is apparently what has happened.

  The book can still be published---but--its sale in a highly visible venue such as Amazon will be unavailable.

  A principle I've always used in parenting is this. I'd rather my kids see the wisdom in not smoking, doing drugs and engaging in premarital sex as a personally responsible choice for themselves than simply DEMANDING such as a prohibitive parental command.

  Once the child is away from home their TRUE CHOICE will activate their preferred behaviors anyway.

  PROHIBITION stifles free choice to make wise decisions based on values alone. Coercion triggers a backlash of willful conduct in many instances.

  Back in the society of the pre-1960's there was shame to deal with and it was somewhat of a social restraint.

  Today, with very little that is considered shameful---only strong personal values acquired willingly can prevent the worst of all conduct in a free society.
• 

  minimus

  I think they have the "right" to put out objectionable books but their "principles" will cost them customers and $$$. THAT is what usually motivates a business to do this or that.
• 

  Snoozy

  To many tippy toe around issues now. Too many freedoms..yank the book and put the person in jail for a while..where he can be someone's partner...:>)) He can then write a book on how to molest other inmates...

  Please, there are times when you HAVE to draw the line!

  Snoozy..who thinks some peoples minds are so open their brains fall out!
• 

  WTWizard

  I know the perfect solution to this kind of books. If no one buys it, the publishers will take a bath on their publishing costs. The authors will also take a bath on whatever they spend to get it published, without hopes of making so much as a penny on it. I doubt many people enjoy writing and publishing this kind of sxxx and wasting money getting it printed, just so they can watch every single copy sit and rot in the warehouses and not make them any money.

  The shame is not so much on those that sell it, as those who buy it. Don't buy it, and the authors will lose their incentive to write more of the same. And then there won't be any more of this kind of smut for anyone to sell.
• 

  Snoozy

  WT wizard, the scary part is that too many people WILL buy the book..

  Everyday there is more and more on the news about a pervert kidnapping a child ..with todays morality/rights freedom it seems like they are coming out of the closet!

  The really scary part is if it becomes a best seller!

  Snoozy
• 

  sammielee24

  I'm listening to a talk show debate on this right now.

  Doesn't it boil down to the right to free speech in the USA, a constitutional right, vs what is morally or legally right? In your country who gets to decide that?

  Now, if we remove that question, and we don't choose to ban such disgusting filth, then what right have we to engage in warfare around the world and demand that another county ban cultural practices that we view as repulsive ie; child brides which involve child sex, stoning people to death, circumcision, multiple partnering with a high risk of aids and so on.

  This book is sick. The guy who wrote it is sick and it matters not if he wrote it to be provocative or he wrote it because he has the knowledge and experience to do so - I wouldn't remain in the same room as him. At what point do we stop the nonsense about what is a right to free speechvs what could be deemed harmful to society. We have the amber alert program to warn people that a kid has disappeared, we use milk cartons to show the faces of missing kids, we wait until a child is starved and beaten to death before we punish the perps...but then allow a guy to write a book on how to abuse children so adults can rationalize perversity and kids can accept it.

  Why not just say that it's unacceptable in our society to encourage child molestation and make it a crime? A manual on how to molest a kid nicely should be a crime. A person committed of a crime goes to prison. Free speech must come with responsibility - society should be able to determine what becomes legally and morally acceptable and therefore, if the harm to a million little kids may be greater than the right of one individual, then shouldn't we examine and discuss parameters?

  Children are not willing participants in molestation and sex abuse. They are victimized. At what point do we stop the idiocy about free markets vs the life of a child. That's like condoning rape inside religion - bible principles and all that good stuff - a manual on how to keep it secret. Why not stop all of this crap in it's tracks by making all sexual exploitation of children a crime once and for all. sammieswife
• 

  wobble

  Is this book the one with the chapter entitled :

  "The Jehovah's Witness Organization, a Paedophile Paradise " ???
• 

  ziddina

  Hah! Wobble, GOOD one!!

  Zid
• 

  sammielee24

  DENVER - Police are investigating whether the author of a guide for pedophiles did anything illegal even as they try to protect him from a threat posted on a local website.
  
  Phillip Ray Greaves II of Pueblo has drawn national attention because his self-published book for sale on Amazon offers advice to pedophiles on how to make a sexual encounter with a child as safe as possible.
  
  Pueblo police heard news reports about the book and went to Greaves' home Thursday morning to interview him. Pueblo Detective Dustin Taylor described Greaves as co-operative and said he gave detectives a copy of the book when they asked for one.
  
  "He was just a normal man. He didn't seem unnerved by us being there," Taylor said.
  
  Police told Greaves that he'd been threatened on a local website and that they would monitor his home for his safety. Taylor said the author didn't seem fearful. Police would not elaborate on the threat, and the message was removed from the website, Taylor said.
  
  Greaves, 47, has no criminal record and is not a registered sex offender, Taylor said. Taylor said authorities kept the book but don't expect criminal charges at this point.
  
  "At this point we're still reviewing it, though there's still no indication of any crime being committed," Taylor said.
  
  The book, "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: a Child-lover's Code of Conduct," includes first-person descriptions of such encounters, purportedly written from a child's point of view.
  
  Greaves argues that pedophiles are misunderstood, as the word literally means to love a child. He adds that it is only a crime to act on sexual impulses toward children, and offers advice that purportedly allows pedophiles to abide by the law.
  
  Greaves also self-published other books on Amazon and was a frequent writer to the Pueblo Chieftain editorial page. His letters to the editor were mostly about local matters and the role of government. Last month, Greaves wrote a letter calling for criminal fines to go to "randomly selected charities" instead of the government.
  
  Amazon has declined comment to The Associated Press. Greaves also declined an interview but told The Smoking Gun website on Wednesday that he suffers from depression and that he had sexual contact with children while still a child himself.
  
  The website said that when asked if he had engaged in sexual acts with children as an adult, Greaves first said "could have" before saying that he hadn't. He also said he suffered a mental collapse about three years ago while working as a nursing home aide.
  
  Greaves said he had only sold one book and insisted it doesn't advocate for adults to harm children.
  
  "The best advice I can give a pedophile is, accept that masturbation is your best friend," Greaves told The Smoking Gun.