Elder knocks on my door... couldn't see who it was and I opened it... (page 2)

Curtains

good for you soldier77. You were direct, clear and adamant in your response to the elder. This reminds me of a recent message left on our ansaphone. A brother who'd been disfellowshipped some years ago had had visit from 2 elders seeking to encourage him back. He'd also had a recent death in his family. In his message he calmly reminded us of his request to be left alone and not have to put up with elders calling on him. He said he thought it was very insensitive of the elders to call especially as a sign on his door indicated that he'd had a death in the family recently. He used the word insensitive three times in his message to emphasize his points and remained calm and dignified throughout.

thetrueone

It does sound like he meant well, and might actually have cared.

A maligning fallacy, elders only care about their own expressive power and control over people that

the WTS has created for them and the imaginary powerful one.

Elders and other JWS can put a phony pretentious appearance of sincerity that has been previously developed ( like when they go door to door )

on their own, similar to a common salesman. ( remember all the forced smiles at the Kingdom hall )

When a person leaves a cult the leaders perceived it as a direct lost to themselves in self supporting power and money.

Elders get off on exerting their god given acquired power, its connected to their egos and their own developed personal identity.

Think About It

If he was sincere, it sounds like he won't be an elder very long.

He's forgotten WTS Rule #1: "The organization is always right."

My sediments too. He also forget WTS Rule #2: "See Rule #1."

That poor Crusader will be here before too long.

Think About it

steve2

I was really touched by your account, Soldier77.

Yes, I think the elder was sincere and empathic. But you're right: It's too little too late and besides, it's over and done. To go through it again would reopen healed wounds and not necessarily give the result that would be in your best interests. For every caring, humane elder there are probably 100 who are unempathic organization men who champion the organization above all else - even in the face of human misery caused by the organization's policies.

Your account is inspiring and a wonderful model for so many who are caught between leaving and fearing the organization.

undercover

Thanks for sharing. I enjoyed reading the account.

He may have been sincere and a good guy. I know a couple of elders who I would label the same. You feel like that maybe they get it, even if just a little and not fully.

But at the same time, as sincere as they are, they're still elders and they represent the organization that I want no part of. Therefore, on the rare occasion that I interact with them, I say nothing that can implicate me. I don't answer questions, I don't give information. How's the family, how's the job, how's your health...that's about all they're gonna get outa me. Anything else only gives them courage to want to pry further.

blondie

It does not sound like he is acting with the BOE's knowledge and/or support and has his own issues. I would be cautious. My husband was an elder and he found to his chagrin that even if the BOE was wrong he had to support their view and when he acted "independently" they would slap him down.

Yan Bibiyan

Would be nice if this guy tries to go against Mother and feels first hand the backlash. Just might wake him up.....

Soldier77, I realize that this would have to be at your emotional expense, so above scenario is hypothetical...

sabastious

That Elder sounds like he's on his way out.

Thank you so much for sharing this story. It gives good insight into other sides of the Organization. It's always a victory for humankind when an elder sifts through the bullshit and sees things for how they are.

A lot of elders remind me of Pontius Pilate. They really sympathize with you but, in the end, they are politically forced to turn you over to the mob.

-Sab

Hoffnung

Thanks for sharing. Sometimes we forget that there are still some real shepherds hidden in between the wolves. I still feel for the poor flock, and it is good to know at least somebody cares. You reacted the correct way though. Nothing to win by returning and be eaten alive... once more ... by the less caring. Unfortunately the real shepherds are getting a rare species, they step down most of the time, totally exhausted of trying to repair what the other 5 or 6 messed up. What a waste of energy and time... Maybe we meet this guy on this board over a few years

Have a good day as well

Hoffnung

Soldier77

Thanks for the kind words all!

I agree, he is on the edge, he always has been. I will say that this is not in the US, I'm out of the states for a bit and they do things diferently here, most of the time it's worse, but then some things like this is like, WTF? But this guy once told me to go look at a YouTube video about the Jesus died on a cross/stake argument.Talk about a WTF moment, right in the KH too! He realized what he had told me and got embarassed and threw in the, oh those silly apostates....

Come to think of it, this guy could be of the conscience class.... lol

Again, to re-iterate, I am not going to give these guys, or even this guy, the time of day if they want to sit with me in any form, whether it be to 'encourage' or for a JC. If it comes to an accusatory JC against me, I'll ignore them or tell them to shove it. But right now, I don't think it's leaning that way.

I'm in the 'spiritually weak so let's encourage him' status with the elder body.

Elder knocks on my door... couldn't see who it was and I opened it...

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