Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 01-02-11 WT Study (YOUNG GUIDED)

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    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 01-02-11 WT Study (NOVEMBER 15, 2010, pages 3-7)(YOUNG GUIDED)

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    Young Ones—Be Guided

    by God’s Word

    “Acquire wisdom, acquire understanding.” —PROV. 4:5.

    OPENING COMMENTS

    Witnesses are guided with a “kind” iron hand, especially minor children. JW parents are taught that their children who have reached the age of accountability (ambiguous) and have not taken “their stand with Jehovah” that they will die eternally at Armageddon.

    START OF ARTICLE

    1, 2. (a) What helped the apostle Paul to cope with conflicts within himself?

    (b) How can you acquire wisdom and understanding?

    “WHEN I wish to do what is right, what is bad is present with

    me.” Do you know who said those words? It was none other

    than the apostle Paul. Although Paul loved Jehovah, there were

    times when he found it a struggle to do what was right. How did

    he feel about this conflict within himself? “Miserable man that

    I am!” he wrote. (Rom. 7:21-24) Can you relate to the way Paul

    felt? Do you sometimes find it difficult to do the right thing?

    Does that make you feel frustrated, as it did Paul? If so, do not

    be discouraged. Paul successfully dealt with the challenges he

    faced, and so can you.

    COMMENTS

    So does this mean that every Christian was miserable 24/7? Think about it 1) Paul had been a self-righteous Pharisee; how many people had he judged worthy of being discarded? 2) Paul had sat in agreement when Stephen was stoned to death. 3) He continued his persecution and execution of Christians long after that. He probably had a lot to be miserable about.

    How can people not even 18 compare themselves with Paul’s actions?

    Challenges—the buzzword for this article

    2 Paul succeeded because he allowed himself to be guided by

    “healthful words.” (2 Tim. 1:13, 14) As a result, he gained the

    wisdom and understanding needed to cope with challenges and

    to make good decisions. Jehovah God can help you to acquire

    wisdom and understanding. (Prov. 4:5) He has provided the best

    possible advice in his Word, the Bible. (Read 2 Timothy 3:16,

    17. ) Consider how you can benefit from the principles found in

    the Scriptures when dealing with your parents, when handling

    money, and when you are alone.

    COMMENTS

    Why had Paul not allowed himself to be guided by the healthful words in the Torah?

    Buzzword—challenges

    Handling money?????

    Guided by God’s Word in the Family

    3, 4. Why might you find it challenging to obey your parents’ rules, but why

    do parents make rules?

    3 Do you find it a challenge to live by your parents’ rules? Why

    might that be the case? One reason could be that you desire a

    measure of independence. This inclination is normal. It is part

    of growing to adulthood. While at home, though, you have an

    obligation to obey your parents.—Eph. 6:1-3.

    COMMENTS

    Buzzword—challenge

    Perhaps because parents are imperfect and possibly hypocritical.

    Will jw parents allow children independence when they belong to an organization that does not allow independence to adults?

    4 Gaining the right perspective of your parents’ rules and requirements

    can make it easier for you to abide by them. True,

    you may at times feel as did 18-year-old Brielle,* who said of her

    parents: “They have completely forgotten what it’s like to be my

    age. They don’t want me to have my say, make a choice, or be

    an adult.” Like Brielle, you might feel that your parents withhold

    more freedom than you think they should. However, your

    parents make rules primarily because they are concerned about

    you. In addition, Christian parents know that they are accountable

    to Jehovah for the way they care for you.—1 Tim. 5:8.

    *Names have been changed.

    COMMENTS

    Right perspective—the same one the WTS lowered down on the backs of the rank and file, to obey them even if they are wrong.

    Is that why the WTS makes rules, because they are concerned or want to control its members?

    “Bad” children make jw (Christian?) parents look bad. Fathers have lost “privileges” because of their children’s actions.

    5. How may obedience to your parents benefit you?

    5 Really, obeying your parents’ rules is like paying off a debt

    that you owe to a bank—the more reliable you are in making

    your payments, the more inclined the bank will be to extend

    credit to you. Similarly, you owe your parents respect and obedience.

    (Read Proverbs 1:8.) The more obedient you are, the

    more likely your parents will be to extend greater freedom to

    you. (Luke 16:10) Of course, if you continually break the rules,

    do not be surprised if your parents reduce or even close down

    your “line of credit.”

    COMMENTS

    So does a person have to “prove” themselves monthly?

    If your parents are abusive, should you still obey them?

    What if the rules are not reasonable?

    6. How can parents help young ones to be obedient?

    6 One way parents can help their young ones to obey the rules

    they make is by example. Their own willing obedience to what

    Jehovah requires should demonstrate that God’s rules are reasonable.

    This will make it easier for young people to view parental

    rules in the same light. (1 John 5:3) Moreover, the Bible

    mentions occasions when Jehovah even gave his servants an opportunity

    to express themselves regarding certain matters. (Gen.

    18:22-32; 1 Ki. 22:19-22) Might there be times when parents

    could give their children a chance to comment on various subjects?

    COMMENTS

    Do parents obey the WTS rules or the house rules or do they bend them for themselves?

    So if Abraham and others had input with God, why not children with parents?

    7, 8. (a) What challenge do some young ones face? (b) What realization can

    help you to benefit from discipline?

    7 Young ones may also face the challenge of dealing with what

    they view to be unfair criticism from their parents. At times, you

    may have felt like a young man named Craig, who said, “My

    mother seemed like a police detective—always looking for areas

    where I failed.”

    COMMENTS

    Buzzword: challenge

    Only view as being unfair…what is really unfair….wait on Jehovah…remember parents are imperfect (same excuses for organization).

    8 Correction or discipline often comes in the form of criticism.

    The Bible acknowledges that discipline, even when completely

    justified, is hard to bear. (Heb. 12:11) What can help you to benefit

    from discipline you receive? An important point to remember

    is that your parents’ counsel is likely motivated by their love

    for you. (Prov. 3:12) They want to save you from falling into bad

    habits and help you to cultivate good ones. Your parents likely

    realize that if they fail to correct you, it is the same as showing

    hatred toward you! (Read Proverbs 13:24.) Also, understand

    that making mistakes is part of the learning process. So when

    you are corrected, why not look for nuggets of wisdom in what

    is being said? “Having [wisdom] as gain is better than having silver

    as gain and having it as produce than gold itself.”—Prov. 3:

    13, 14.

    COMMENTS

    How beneficial is criticism if it is destructive? Discipline = spanking???

    LIKELY motivated by love?

    Fail to correct---how did Jesus correct?

    9. Rather than dwelling on a seeming injustice, what can young ones do?

    9 Parents, however, do make mistakes. (Jas. 3:2) When disciplining

    you, they may sometimes speak thoughtlessly. (Prov. 12:

    18) What could cause your parents to act this way? They may

    be under stress, or they may view your mistakes as a failure on

    their part. Rather than dwelling on what you feel is an injustice,

    why not show appreciation for their earnest desire to be helpful?

    The ability to accept discipline will serve you well when you reach

    adulthood.

    COMMENTS

    Parents make mistakes; are they made accountable?

    Speak thoughtlessly…under stress (same reason for child) or view child’s mistakes as a failure on their (see loss of father’s privileges is what is important).

    Uzzah had an earnest desire to be helpful, yet he died.

    10. How can you cope more effectively with parental rules and correction?

    10 Would you like to cope more effectively with your parents’

    rules and correction? If so, you need to improve your communication

    skills. How may you do that? The first step is to listen.

    “Be swift about hearing,” says the Bible, “slow about speaking,

    slow about wrath.” (Jas. 1:19) Rather than being quick to justify

    yourself, try to control your emotions and absorb what your

    parents have to say. Focus on what is said, not on how it is delivered.

    Then, rephrase your parents’ comments in your own

    words and respectfully repeat their remarks back to them. Your

    doing so will reassure them that you heard what they said. What

    if you want to give an explanation for your speech or actions?

    In most cases, it is wise to ‘keep your lips in check’ until after

    you have complied with your parents’ wishes. (Prov. 10:19) Once

    your parents see that you have listened to them, they will be far

    more inclined to listen to you. Such a mature approach proves

    that you are being guided by God’s Word.

    COMMENTS

    Where is the love in this paragraph? Is a child’s relationship with their parents based on a foundation of rules and correction? Who carries the responsibility of communication, a child or a parent, the adult? Should a child absorb inaccurate information, perhaps even a lie from a sibling? So if your parents are screaming at you at the top of their lungs…..Who is the example of respect, the child or the parent?

    Guided by God’s Word When Managing Money

    11, 12. (a) Regarding money, what does God’s Word encourage us to do, and

    why? (b) How might your parents help you to manage money?

    11 “Money is for a protection,” states the Bible. But this same

    verse shows that wisdom is even more valuable than money.

    (Eccl. 7:12) God’s Word encourages us to respect money, not to

    love it. Why should you avoid developing love for money? Consider

    this illustration: In the hands of a skilled chef, a sharp knife

    is a useful tool. But the same knife in the hands of someone inattentive

    or careless can cause serious harm. If handled skillfully,

    money too can be useful. However, those who are “determined

    to be rich” often sacrifice friendships, family relationships, and

    even their relationship with God. As a result, they stab themselves

    “all over with many pains.”—Read 1 Timothy 6:9, 10.

    COMMENTS

    That is not true in the WTS, they just want your money, they have the corner on the wisdom market, right?

    Skillful handling of your money…give it to the WTS, although tithing is not Christian, give us 10%.

    And how are wealthy jws treated? Do you have an experience to share?

    12 How can you learn to manage money skillfully? Why not

    ask your parents for advice on how to budget your money? “A

    wise person will listen and take in more instruction, and a man

    of understanding is the one who acquires skillful direction,”

    wrote Solomon. (Prov. 1:5) A young woman named Anna asked

    for skillful direction from her parents. She says, “My father

    taught me how to make a budget, and he showed me how important

    it is to be organized in managing family funds.” Anna’s

    mother likewise taught her practical lessons. “She showed me the

    value of comparing prices before buying,” says Anna. How has

    Anna benefited? She answers: “I am now able to care for my

    own finances. I carefully control my spending, so I have the freedom

    and the peace of mind that come from avoiding unnecessary

    debt.”

    COMMENTS

    Isn’t there an assumption that the parents know how to budget money? I remember the family where the father would buy a new video toy for himself before paying the rent; or the mother that bought $300 new clothes for the convention when there was no money for a hotel or food?

    13. How might you discipline yourself when it comes to spending money?

    13 You may find yourself quickly plunging into debt if you buy

    items on impulse or spend money just to impress your friends.

    What might help you to avoid these traps? When it comes to

    spending money, you must learn to discipline yourself. This is

    what Ellena, who is in her early 20’s, does. “When I go out with

    friends,” she says, “I plan ahead and calculate a limit to my

    spending. . . . I also find it wise to go shopping only with those

    of my friends who are careful with their money and who will encourage

    me to shop around and not buy the first thing I see.”

    COMMENTS

    Shun your friends who aren’t careful or have more money than you to spend?

    So her parents did not spend on impulse or to impress their friends?

    14. Why should you be on guard against “the deceptive power of riches”?

    14 Making and managing money is an important part of life.

    However, Jesus said that real happiness comes to those who are

    “conscious of their spiritual need.” (Matt. 5:3) He warned that

    a person’s interest in spiritual matters can be choked by such

    things as “the deceptive power of riches.” (Mark 4:19) How important

    it is, then, that you let yourself be guided by God’s Word

    and maintain a balanced view of money!

    COMMENTS

    I remember reading an experience in Africa where some witnesses were poor and there was a drought in their area. The father would eat only every 3 rd day so his children had more…but when the “brothers” arrived he asked for a copy of the new publication. I wonder how it tasted?

    Luke 11:11-12 (New King James Version)

    If a son asks for bread [a] from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

    Guided by God’s Word When Alone

    15. When will your loyalty to God likely be tested the most?

    15 When do you think your loyalty to God will be tested the

    most—when you are with others or when you are alone? Well,

    when you are at school or at work, your spiritual defenses are

    likely up. You are alert to possible spiritual danger. It is when

    you are relaxing and your guard is down that you become most

    vulnerable to an attack on your moral standards.

    COMMENTS

    Most witnesses are concerned about what other people see them doing, they really don’t live their lives as if God was with them seeing everything they do. God has left the land and is not seeing…….

    http://bible.cc/ezekiel/9-9.htm

    16. Why should you want to obey Jehovah even in private?

    16 Why should you want to obey Jehovah even when you are

    alone? Remember this: You are able either to hurt Jehovah’s feelings

    or to make his heart rejoice. (Gen. 6:5, 6; Prov. 27:11) Jehovah

    is affected by your actions because “he cares for you.”

    (1 Pet. 5:7) He wants you to listen to him so that you can benefit

    yourself. (Isa. 48:17, 18) When some of Jehovah’s servants

    in ancient Israel ignored his counsel, they caused him to feel

    pain. (Ps. 78:40, 41) On the other hand, Jehovah felt deep affection

    for the prophet Daniel, for an angel called him a “very

    desirable man.” (Dan. 10:11) Why? Daniel remained loyal to

    God not only when in public but also in private.—Read Daniel

    6:10.

    COMMENTS

    Where is Jesus in this whole scenario…not concerned about hurting Jesus? At least he was human and had parents and grew up a young man in difficult times.

    17. What questions could you ask yourself when choosing entertainment?

    17 To remain loyal to God when you are by yourself, you must

    develop your “perceptive powers . . . to distinguish both right

    and wrong” and then train those powers “through use” by acting

    on what you know is right. (Heb. 5:14) For example, when

    choosing the music you listen to, the movies you watch, or the

    Internet sites that you visit, here is what will help you choose

    what is right and avoid what is wrong. Ask yourself the following

    questions: ‘Will this material encourage me to be tenderly

    compassionate or will it influence me to rejoice “at another’s disaster”?’

    (Prov. 17:5) ‘Will it help me to “love what is good” or

    will it make it difficult for me to “hate what is bad”?’ (Amos 5:

    15) What you do when you are alone reveals the values you really

    treasure.—Luke 6:45.

    COMMENTS

    Is this a masturbation paragraph? So jw children get to choose music, movies, internet sites (why is Internet capitalized?)? Or do they have mum and dad checking them and tossing them (see money above)? Just like the elders check the CDs, videos, DVDs or their parents when they “drop by” for a visit and use it as an occasion to pry into their privacy?

    This reminds me of the time a brother was invited to an elder’s home to view a movie. It turned out it was an R-rated movie and this elder and his family had already viewed it so they could fast forward through the “bad” parts.

    18. What should you do if you have secretly been engaging in wrong conduct,

    and why?

    18 What should you do if you have secretly been engaging in

    conduct that you know to be wrong? Remember, “he that is covering

    over his transgressions will not succeed, but he that is confessing

    and leaving them will be shown mercy.” (Prov. 28:13)

    How unwise it would be to continue in a wrong course and “be

    grieving God’s holy spirit”! (Eph. 4:30) You really owe it to God,

    to your parents, and to yourself to confess any wrongdoing. In

    this regard, “the older men of the congregation” can do a great

    deal for you. The disciple James says: “Let them pray over [the

    wrongdoer], greasing him with oil in the name of Jehovah. And

    the prayer of faith will make the indisposed one well, and Jehovah

    will raise him up. Also, if he has committed sins, it will

    be forgiven him.” (Jas. 5:14, 15) Admittedly, this may result

    in some embarrassment and perhaps some unpleasant consequences.

    But if you have the courage to ask for help, you will

    spare yourself any further damage and will feel the relief that

    comes from regaining a clear conscience.—Ps. 32:1-5.

    COMMENTS

    Should jws be confessing to God or to men…like Catholics confess to priests, a practice the WTS says is wrong?

    What kind of “sin” since we all sin everyday? Do the elders want the rank and file running to them with every bad thought and word?

    Make Jehovah’s Heart Glad

    19, 20. What does Jehovah want for you, but what must you do?

    19 Jehovah is “the happy God,” and he wants you to be happy.

    (1 Tim. 1:11) He is keenly interested in you. Even if no one

    else notices the effort you put forth to do what is right, he does.

    Nothing is hidden from Jehovah’s eyes. He looks on, not to find

    fault, but to support your endeavor to do good. God’s “eyes are

    roving about through all the earth to show his strength in behalf

    of those whose heart is complete toward him.”—2 Chron.

    16:9.

    COMMENTS

    But only happy his way. No one else notices…he does…how do you know?

    20 Therefore, allow yourself to be guided by God’s Word, and

    apply its advice. You will thus gain the wisdom and understanding

    needed to overcome thorny problems and to make difficult

    choices in life. You will not only please your parents and Jehovah

    but also enjoy a genuinely happy life.

    COMMENTS

    What if your understanding of the Bible does not match your parents’ opinion? Don’t you obey God rather than men? Can jws understand the Bible without WTS publications?

    How Would You Answer?

    What can young ones do to cope with and benefit

    from parental rules and correction?

    Why is it important to gain a balanced view of money?

    How can you remain loyal to Jehovah even when

    alone?

    CLOSING COMMENTS

    Late again. Forgot my comments at work. We went out for a wonderful dinner and a floor show for the first time on a New Year’s Eve. We even stayed awake till midnight.

    Next week, YOUNG ONES, RESIST PEER PRESSURE. Does that mean not getting baptized because all your “friends” are?

    Love, Blondie

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Well, well well.....I am glad that we had to miss the meeting this week (travelling back home yesterday)

    What could you say about this article? It seems more suited to "Young People Ask" or material for a "Family Study Night".

    The congo that my wife attends is largely made up of older people and childless couples and single ones...What could they say?

    The Conductor must have had a hard time of it....

    Thanks Blondie..I don't know how you manage to make something out of nothing............

  • sd-7
    sd-7

    One thing I noticed about this article? It mentions Jesus...wait for it...once. Couldn't there have been some kind of discussion of how Jesus lived, or how he admired the humility of young children? Something?? How can you go through a Christian Bible discussion and only mention Jesus ONCE? I think Paul would indeed be saying "miserable man that I am!" if he had to sit through that!

    Also, I did notice the parallel between how the organization treats everyone and how parents are to treat their kids. It's been about 60 years since the 'Mother organization' article, and I haven't seen that sort of discussion in later years, but it's quite obvious that the organization considers itself to be the 'Mother' of everyone in it.

    The other thing is, just because somebody else decides to blow their money on something, doesn't mean YOU have to. Even young people can figure that out if they've got good parents. I used to watch my brother (now an MS/pioneer with a house) blow thousands of dollars on his car, only to watch it get broken into every 5 minutes and the stuff stolen. That, I considered to be silly.

    Lastly, the fact that 'no one notices' when young people are obedient and upstanding Christians in the congregation is an indication of the sad reality: people only 'notice' amongst JWs when you do something WRONG. Then, they've got all the time in the world. But if you're struggling to do the right thing and keep your head down, it's meaningless--especially if you're not pioneering. Either that, or you're not doing enough, even if you're regular in the meetings, field service, etc. unless you're 'doing more'.

    People do notice if you pioneer and get on assembly programs, though. Because the best thing to do is APPEAR to be righteous, APPEAR to put in the most hours, APPEAR to be well-prepared for the meeting.

    Of course, I assume the whole Internet thing is a non-specific warning against porn, social networking, and too much time on iTunes or YouTube. Also, if making money is important, why discourage higher education? Unless you're at a vocational school, I don't know of a high school that'll release you ready for a decent job.

    But...this one is kind of a sleeper. If it's not about sex, it's generally kind of boring anyway, at least I found...

    --sd-7

  • jonathan dough
  • Mary
    Mary
    Will jw parents allow children independence when they belong to an organization that does not allow independence to adults?

    You hit the nail right on the head with that one Blondie. Many JW parents are absolute control freaks. While I'm sure part of it is the typical worrying-about-what-your-teenager-is-going-to-do, many go way overboard and insist on micro-managing their kids' lives, even when they should be allowed to exert some measure of independence. Gee, I wonder where they learned that from.

    True, you may at times feel as did 18-year-old Brielle,* who said of her parents: "They have completely forgotten what it's like to be my age. They don't want me to have my say, make a choice, or be an adult." Like Brielle, you might feel that your parents withhold more freedom than you think they should. However, your parents make rules primarily because they are concerned about you.

    Note how they never allow the thought that perhaps the parents should maybe lighten up on perhaps, some unreasonable rules---the onus is entirely on the kids to 'suck it up'. While there has always been conflict between parents and their teenagers (both JW and non-JWs), I find many Witness parents are completely off their rockers when it comes to letting your kid have a measure of independence. Here's a wonderful example that'll make your toes curl:

    Last week I took one of my best friends (another ex-Dub) out for her birthday as her hubby was up visiting his parents. Now, for a bit of background: her JW parents live in an in-law suite at Kerri's house even though Kerri and Dave don't go to the meetings anymore. Kerri has an older sister who is a brain-dead, self-righteous moronic Dub who will move heaven and earth to climb the social ladder in the congregation. Her equally brain-dead (not to mention, butt-ugly) hubby recently got made an elder. Their daughter enrolled in college last Fall to become a business analyst and will be there for 3 years. It was too far for her to travel living at home, so she move in with her aunt Kerri and uncle Dave as it's 5 minutes to the college.

    Her parents call her morning, noon and night to make sure she isn't 'fornicating' and they call her every meeting night to make sure she goes to the meetings with her grandparents, which, for the most part, she has been. If they can't get a hold of her right away, they immediately call Kerri and Dave and insist they tell them exactly what their daughter is doing 24-7. For the most part, they refuse as they feel she's a good kid, does not get into trouble, is studying hard and still goes to the meetings. She has her parents' car though, and they hold this over her head whenever the mood takes them. For example, about 3 weeks ago, she phoned them to let them know she was going out to a movie with some of her friends from the KH. They decided to go out for something to eat after the movie, but because she didn't phone her parents and tell them this, they "grounded" her for 2 weeks telling her she can't take the car anywhere except school and they'd be checking the mileage. Assholes. This girl is 18 going on 19.

    Her mother has a joint account with her and goes into the bank all the time to update it so she can see exactly what her daughter is spending every dime on. Nosey eh? That's not the worst though. About a month ago, she told her parents that she and some of her friends from the Hall were going to go skiing at one of the resorts up north for Christmas, since there was nothing else to do. Her parents said nothing about her not being able to go until the day before and then phoned her and told her that she couldn't go unless her older sister went, as they didn't want her 'getting into trouble'--in other words, fornicating. The problem was, her older sister "wasn't sure if she wanted to go or not" and refused to let her know one way or another. Despite the fact that the trip was already long paid for, and the fact that her parents knew for over a month that she had planned this, they decided to exert their 'power and authority' over their daughter in a completely unreasonable and fanatical way with absolutely no reasoning whatsoever.

    Kerri had finally had enough of this crap and told her niece to go on the trip anyway as her mother was being completely unreasonable. Kerri knew that the only thing they could do is to take the car away, so Kerri and her husband decided that if necessary, they would lease a car for their niece for the time she's in school. With that said, Kerri's bitchasaurus sister and brother in law came screaming down to Kerri's when they found out their daughter had dared to disobey them and Kerri and her sister had it out. Kerri told her that she was a "controlling, unreasonable bitch" like she had been her entire life, and that if she wanted to maintain a relationship with her daughter, she better knock it off. Sure enough they took their car back, but Kerri gleefully told her sister that they were going to lease a car for their niece so she could still get to school. This infuriated her sister to the point where "the cords on her neck stood out and her face was purple" with rage. Ha ha. Not a whole lot she can do about it though since her daughter is over 18.

    The daughter now has no intention of every returning home once she's done college. This is the first time she's been away from her controlling parents and she has no intention of ever going back to that nonsense again. Of course, the whole thing could have been avoided had her parents been reasonable and supportive, instead of insane and manipulative.

    And they wonder why only 37% of the young kids are staying?

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    Mary, it's sad that her parents behave this way, but the WT organization rewards this kind of crap by trotting those type parents out on convention programs and praising their efforts in raising their children up in "the discipline and mental-regulating of Jehovah."

    Blech.

    Thank you, Blondie.

    Syl

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    "Will jw parents allow children independence when they belong to an organization that does not allow independence to adults? ..."

    Oh, Blondie!!!

    You hit the nail on the head with THAT comment!!!

    Thanks again for doing all this work!!!

    Zid

  • ziddina
    ziddina
    "Really, obeying your parents' rules is like paying off a debt that you owe to a bank-the more reliable you are in making your payments, the more inclined the bank will be to extend credit to you. ..."

    Yet again, that "for-profit" corporate mentality comes shining through...

    "How can you learn to manage money skillfully? Why not ask your parents for advice on how to budget your money? "A wise person will listen and take in more instruction, and a man of understanding is the one who acquires skillful direction," wrote Solomon. ..."

    Yeah.... Ask the people who probably didn't go to college, who may have even been home-schooled, for insightful tips on how to properly manage money... I'd take the advice of "King Solomon" and get advice from people with college degrees in financial management... Like Suze Ormann...

    Blondie, I don't think Paragraph #17 is the "masturbation" paragraph, I think it's Paragraph #18 - "secretly engaging in conduct that you KNOW to be WRONG...!!!!"

    OOOOOOOOO!!! Sssssssseecret sssssin!!!!! [said with a church-lady face...]

    Zid

  • ziddina
    ziddina

    Mary... Wow... That poor girl!!! At least she's out from under the thumb of those fanatical idiot parents...

    Well, THEIR worst fears just came true!!!

    I keep procrastinating about starting a "Thank You" thread directed to the boys on the Governing Body... But that is the sort of experience I would include...

    "Thank you, Dear Governing Body, for being such a bunch of crazies... Your focus on numbers and the bottom line, down-playing of the REAL message of love that Jesus Christ taught, paranoid behavior, frantic grasping for the reins of control that are swiftly slipping away from you, your self-centered and ignorant antipathy towards higher education - except for those 'special' boys in the Watchtower Society's Legal Department, micro-management of the Rank & File, and lacivious fixation on sexual misbehavior amongst the membership, ...

    Your illogical, unreasonable, even INSANE focus on these factors instead of focusing on a truly CHRISTIAN form of worship, is driving your membership away in droves... For that, we want to THANK you.

    Without your painfully obvious fears, and highly public insanities; many, many former Jehovah's Witnesses would still be trapped within your organization.

    We thank you for your utter stupidity, which has meant freedom for SO MANY former Jehovah's Witnesses...!!!"

    Zid

  • Hoffnung
    Hoffnung

    Paragraph 18 is very upsetting, because it:

    - is inspiring fear and guilt in the youngsters hearts and minds, especially the note of "Grieving the Holy Spirit" due to some stupid youth mistake (YOU WILL BE DESTROYED AT THE BIG A, IF YOU DO NOT GO TO THE ELDERS IMMEDIATELY...). JW youth are brought under the spell of fear and guilt by articles like these. As every youth does quite a few of these "sins" (masturbation, watching violent or sexual content movie, listen to the wrong kind of music,...), and not confess, they will develop this negative image of being a bad (not good enough for God) person. This bad conscience will never ever go away any more.

    - make it seem that the elders will always help you to get healed from your spritual weaknesses and forgive your sins if you go them. This picture is SO UNTRUE. The 1st thing elders consider if you go with them with a confession, is whether or not you will be kicked out and shunned or not because of your sin. You will not get some fatherly counsel or discipline, but you will be judged by a secret tribunal of 3 elders, with a 50% likelihood to be DF'ed.

    As a born in, knowing all the consequences of going to the elders with a confession, my whole being was always rejecting the idea of confessing anything at all. That is the effect of paragraphs like these. Don't have yourself fooled, there exists no JW with a clear conscience. The whole set of doctrines of the WTBTS is designed to make JWs feel guilty and to let them do works of faith to lower this fear-and-guilt burden, but it will never be enough. That is exactly the same as what the Pharisees did and the opposite of what Jesus taught.

    Paragraph 18:

    What should you do if you have secretly been engaging in conduct that you know to be wrong? Remember, “he that is covering over his transgressions will not succeed, but he that is confessing and leaving them will be shown mercy.” (Prov. 28:13) How unwise it would be to continue in a wrong course and “be grieving God’s holy spirit”! (Eph. 4:30) You really owe it to God, to your parents, and to yourself to confess any wrongdoing. In this regard, “the older men of the congregation” can do a great deal for you. The disciple James says: “Let them pray over [the wrongdoer], greasing him with oil in the name of Jehovah. And

    the prayer of faith will make the indisposed one well, and Jehovah will raise him up. Also, if he has committed sins, it will be forgiven him.” (Jas. 5:14, 15) Admittedly, this may result in some embarrassment and perhaps some unpleasant consequences. But if you have the courage to ask for help, you will spare yourself any further damage and will feel the relief that comes from regaining a clear conscience.—Ps. 32:1-5.

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