I told my daughter I was leaving "the truth" this weekend.

by whathappened 77 Replies latest jw friends

  • whathappened
    whathappened

    Last week, I told you I was going to tell my daughter that I was leaving the truth this weekend and you all gave me sound advice. But, I cannot keep a secret this heavy from the person I love most on this earth, my only daughter, who is beautiful inside and out.

    Well, I have always had an open and honest relationship with my daughter, and I guess it paid off. This weekend I visited my daughter (who lives in another state) and I told her I was leaving "the truth." I knew she would ask why and she did. I let my true emotions all out and tearfully and emotionally, showed her a binder I had prepared.

    In the binder on the first page was a photo of CTRussel's headstone, with the Laodecian Messenger on it. The next page was the pyramid monument, the one with Watchtower B&T S on it. The next page was another view of it. The next page was the old Watchtower from 1906 with the cross and crown and the knights on it. She is a college educated history major and particularly loves world and ancient history. She knew right away something was wrong. The next page was a print out of the Masonic symbols, taken from the freemason's own website, showing the cross and crown. She was visably upset. She had tears in her eyes. The next photo was of the Finished Mystery book with the winged disk on it. She seemed incredibly uncomfortable, the significance was apparent to her immediately. I asked, "How could Jehovah allow these symbols to be used by his earthy visible organization?"

    I then turned back to the headstone and said "Isn't it strange, Jehovah waited until the perfect man, Jesus, was 30 years old to annoint him, but Charles Taze Russell was only in his mid twenties when he started this religion. Does that make any sense?" Then I turned the next page to some Watchtower publication quotes about Jehovah living on a star, the Pyramid of Giza being Jehovah's stone witness, how he used the distances inside the pyramid to arrive at the date 1874. I showed her the quote in the Finished Mystery book about how Russell was still directing the organization after his death.

    Then we went over the quotes about 1874, 1914, 1925 and 1975. She has heard us talk about 1975 all her life. I had actual Kingdom Ministry articles and Watchtower articles.

    Next in the binder was the whole Sodom and Gomorrah thing...asked her if this was really "new light, "or was this total reversal.

    Then I went over the Watchtower view of homosexual acts not being grounds for scriptural divorce and I asked her about how she felt about the poor innocent spouses who had to deal with this. Then, of course, we discussed oral sex, which thier District Overseer is obsessed with. I told her how people had gotten divorced, which led to disfellowshipping, kids losing their secure homes, etc, and how was that right. We talked about the blood fractions/blood issue. Asked her if she had a child that could have been saved but had died, then later she learned that the Society was now allowing blood fractions to be used, how would she feel. I asked her if this was God changing his mind or was this men, making decisions for us on their own. I kept asking - is all this new light or total reversal?

    At times, she seemed so uncomfortable that it looked like she wanted to take the binder and throw it away. I showed her the magazine cover that showed all the old people on it that read "1914 The Generation that Will Not Pass Away." I had written on the page Q: Where are they now? A: Passed Away.

    Beth Sarim was discussed, along with the photos and a copy of the actual JW Messenger newspaper handed out at the 1931 District Convention, showing the house which was built for the ancient worthies, discussing the names on the deed. She shook her head in disbelief. I showed her the quote from the Kingdom Proclaimers book regarding this, which she has.

    I finished up with Watchtower quotes about how no one should have to choose between their religion and their family. (her grandma and grampa were both df'd for smoking in 1974 and she never got to see them because we were taught that if we did, we were just as guilty as they were.) I also had quotes about how the Society said they were Jehovah's mouth piece and his prophet and also what Jehovah thought about false prophets. I ended with saying that the Watchtower Society had convinced me that they were not God's earthly visible organization. I at no time said the word "cult" or "apostate." I only used Watchtower publications, nothing else other than the Mason symbols from their website.

    I reminded her that I could get df'd for believing this, and that I was terrified that I was going to lose her. I asked her what she wanted me to do. I told her that I hadn't been in Field Service for 2 months and hadn't been to the KH in a whole month. I could not ever step foot inside the Hall again.

    She said, "Mother, I could never shun you. I would never ask you to be in a religion you didn't believe in. You don't have to come to the Kingdom Hall with me tomorrow." She was crying and wiping the tears from her eyes.

    I told her that I wouldn't bring this subject up again, but she could bring it up anytime she wanted. We went shopping and had a great time all afternoon, not mentioning it. She seemed even more loving and close to me than ever. Later that night, when we returned home, she sat on the couch next to me and said, "Mom, I have a hundred different things going on in my mind right now, but I want you to know that there is nothing you could ever possibly do that would make me not want you in my life." I told her I loved her and felt the same way about her. She said she was not ready to talk about it, but would write me a letter.

    The next day, I stayed home with her baby son and she and her husband went to the meeting. She convinced her husband that it would be a good thing, since they could both consentrate on the meeting for the first time since the baby was born.

    After the meeting, I asked if they enjoyed the meeting. My son in law said "Not really." He told me how my daughter was tearing up and blowing her nose all during the meeting, telling him she must be having some sort of allergic reaction.

    Anyway, I left Sunday afternoon and I asked her if she wanted me to leave the binder for her to look at and review and she said "Yes."

    I hope she doesn't change her mind about shunning me. I hope she does some research on her own. I will keep you all posted.

  • 3dogs1husband
    3dogs1husband

    Holly Smokes!!!! Way to go!!! You have a real loving daughter! what a story, and what a binder i should make one of those!!

    Love hugs 3dogs1Husband

  • laverite
    laverite

    ((((((what happened))))) You are an amazing person. Much love and good wishes to you and your family.

  • TMS
    TMS

    An unbelievably good reaction. No one allows that much info to be presented if their mind is closed. Not only did she clearly state her unconditional love, she shielded you from exposure to her husband's displeasure before you're totally ready. BTW, his response to your question is a good sign as well. . . Could you ask for better?

    tms

  • whathappened
    whathappened

    I could not have realistically expected a better response. I would have been shocked if she would have totally caved in and said "oh my god, you are right, I'm outta here too. " That's too much to ask. The facts were presented to her in a truthful, emotional, loving and intimate way. I was pretty sure she wasn't going to shun me, but, there is still her husband. Her husband is the type who goes and mows the KH lawn when it's 105 out, and goes to chip the ice off the parking lot so that they can have meetings after ice storms. He also, on the other hand, will see Harry Potter movies, the Twilight movies, and plays violent video games. I don't know how she is going to tell him or what he will say. The drama is not over yet. Worst case scenerio is, I go visit with her and the grandchild on a Saturday in a public place and don't go to the house at all. I will let you all know what she says in the letter and what his reaction is.

  • Retrovirus
    Retrovirus

    What a wonderful mother you must have been! your close communication with your daughter is inspiring!

    Retro

  • Lozhasleft
    Lozhasleft

    What happened - I am really impressed at the way you handled this...you were honest and open and prepared...I cant recall if you've read Crisis of Conscience by Ray Franz but if you have then thats what you should recommend to your daughter next maybe? It brings things all up to date about the corruption on the GB etc but in a dignified reasonable way with no room for doubt.....

    It sounds as if your daughter means what she says that even if she hangs on in there with her hubby she wont shut you out of her life...my guess is she's going to find a way to do her own research now and possibly enlighten him too....give her time to digest all this and to deal with the grief of losing her beliefs...we all remember how hard that can be ...dont we?

    Well done you ...an excellent example to follow for so many on here, hopefully...

    Loz x

  • 3Mozzies
    3Mozzies

    AWESOME!!!!!!

    That is great, I love the way you handled this.

    Lets hope both your daughter & her husband look at the binder and seriously consider it.

    Keep us posted.

    3Mozzies

  • yesidid
    yesidid

    A wonderful daughter, reflecting, it appears to me, an equally wonderful mother.

  • Crisis of Conscience
    Crisis of Conscience

    whathappened, WOW! That is great to hear! You are a brave soul I must say. I hope everything works out for you. It seems that it will.

    I loved how you laid things out for her, and obviously through research, for yourself. It's amazing how logical you made everything sound, and yet sad that not everybody reacts the way your daughter did. Blind faith is strong, very strong.

    While my wife is quite aware of my feelings, there is still much I have not shared with her. You have taken a BIG step in this regard towards your family. If God is aware of this and truly cares, I ask for his blessing on your behalf. I am truly happy at the current result.

    Best wishes.

    CoC

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