Amazing.I love the way you put "the truth" in parenthesis.Its only the truth if you are in the cult.To the rest of the world,its absurd.Please keep us posted,you are an amazing person!
I told my daughter I was leaving "the truth" this weekend.
by whathappened 77 Replies latest jw friends
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reslight2
In the binder on the first page was a photo of CTRussel's headstone, with the Laodecian Messenger on it.
Charles Taze Russell never himself claimed to have been the "Laodicean Messenger."
The next page was the pyramid monument, the one with Watchtower B&T S on it.
Rutherford's pyramid monument was built several years after Russell died. Although it was claimed that Russell approved that monument, I highly doubt that he would have approved such extravagance. Other than it deemed an extravagance misuse of money, I have no objection to the monument, representing God's stone witness in Egypt.
The next page was another view of it. The next page was the old Watchtower from 1906 with the cross and crown and the knights on it.
Russell used the cross and crown symbol to represent Biblical terminology; likewise with the armor of righteousness symbol. -- Romans 13:12; 2 Corinthians 6:7; Ephesians 6:11-18.
Regarding the cross and crown:
http://ctr.reslight.net/?feed=rss2&cat=168
She is a college educated history major and particularly loves world and ancient history. She knew right away something was wrong. The next page was a print out of the Masonic symbols, taken from the freemason's own website, showing the cross and crown.
One has to use their imagination to suppose that artwork of a cross and crown is, of itself, a Masonic symbol. (See the previous link). There was no Masonic symbols in artwork of Russell's Watch Tower magazine.
She was visably upset. She had tears in her eyes. The next photo was of the Finished Mystery book with the winged disk on it.
The winged sun artwork was used to symbolize many scriptures, but especially Malachi 4:2; the artwork had nothiing to do with either the Masons or any form of spiritistic occultism.
See:
http://ctr.reslight.net/?p=322She seemed incredibly uncomfortable, the significance was apparent to her immediately. I asked, "How could Jehovah allow these symbols to be used by his earthy visible organization?"
I then turned back to the headstone and said "Isn't it strange, Jehovah waited until the perfect man, Jesus, was 30 years old to annoint him, but Charles Taze Russell was only in his mid twenties when he started this religion.
Russell did not "start" any religion at all; he certainly never started a the "Jehovah's Witnesses" religion. He was a non-sectarian who did not believe in such religious organizations, and even preached against any such kind of organization. Not only that, Russell did not believe in the message preached by "Jehovah's Witnesses"; indeed he preached against such kind of message. It is not fair to Russell to attribute him with starting that which he did not believe in, and against which he preached. After Russell died, Joseph Rutherford "started" that organization, and introduced his new good news of woe of eternal destruction for most of the people. Most of the earlier Bible Students, however, rejected Rutherford's new organization, as well as Rutherford's new "good news."
Regarding Russell and organization:
http://ctr.reslight.net/?feed=rss2&cat=64Regarding Russell and the good news:
http://ctr.reslight.net/?feed=rss2&cat=530Regarding Russell and Armageddon:
http://ctr.reslight.net/?feed=rss2&cat=119Does that make any sense?" Then I turned the next page to some Watchtower publication quotes about Jehovah living on a star, the Pyramid of Giza being Jehovah's stone witness, how he used the distances inside the pyramid to arrive at the date 1874.
The date 1874 was arrived at, not from God's stone witness (the Great Pyramid), but rather from study of Bible prophecy. The Great Pyramid confirms that date, but the date is not based on the Great Pyramid.
I showed her the quote in the Finished Mystery book about how Russell was still directing the organization after his death.
Russell, of course, had no control over what claims were made concerning him after his death; although the concept of "organization" was already being promoted by Rutherford, that concept did not correspond to Russell's beliefs.
Then we went over the quotes about 1874, 1914, 1925 and 1975.
Russell, as well as I and many Bible Students, believe that Christ returned in 1874, and that the time of trouble began in 1914. Russell, of course, had nothing to do with the date 1925 or the date 1975. Indeed, the latter date (1975) is flatly in contradiction to what Russell believed.
She has heard us talk about 1975 all her life. I had actual Kingdom Ministry articles and Watchtower articles.
Next in the binder was the whole Sodom and Gomorrah thing...asked her if this was really "new light, "or was this total reversal.
Bible Students, of course, in general do not believe in this kind of "new light". They pointed out long ago how the Rutherford's limiting of the "ransom for all" denies the very basis of the ransom sacrifice of Jesus.
See what I have written on this at:
http://jws.reslight.net/?p=19http://atonement.reslight.net/archives/167.html
http://hereafter.reslight.net/archives/152.html
Some things written by other Bible Students:
http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2010/09/does-the-bible-support-a-governing-body/
http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/contents/doctrine/a%20message%20for%20jw%27s.htm
http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/2010/05/will-the-wicked-get-an-opportunity-to-repent/
Christian love,
Ronald
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flipper
WHATHAPPENED- You handled that in a kind, loving, motherly way- just awesome ! And it helped that your daughter has a ton of natural, authentic love for you not influenced by the JW cult . That has been built up by you with your daughter for years, it's obvious. I can only hope someday my 2 JW daughters will respond like yours did. I wish the best for you and your daughter.
One word of caution though. Make sure your daughter doesn't get influenced by the elders if word leaks out to them somehow that you talked with your daughter. WT elders have an uncanny knack for trying to seperate family members based on insane divisive teachings from the WT society. So stay abreast of any discussions your daughter or husband may have with elders. Elders may try to " guilt " your daughter into trying to lure you back to meetings thus inserting themselves between you and your daughter in which should really be a PRIVATE situation between just the two of you. So- to be forewarned is to be forearmed my friend. I'm elated your daughter responded well, that's good. But you aren't out of the woods just yet - the mind control elders haven't got to her -yet. Let's hope they don't. Hang in there, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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porfiada
I think you did a great job with the binder....and that your daughter's reaction was the best you could hope for, given how shocking it can be for a blind sheep to find out that their religion is a farse. I just hope that it won't end up in a huge family disruption for her, if for example she follows you but her husband wants to stay. I hope that slowly you can get them both out...just msut need to play dead a little so they see its not like you are driven by Satan!
Well done, have a hug.
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DJPoetech
Pleasantly surprised at the response. I so hope your experience continues to be exceptional. -
Hadit
So encouraging! You did a great job sharing information with your daughter. I wish I didn't panic and did things differently from when I first found out! I think I'll start putting information into one place and hope one day my son will look at it. One can hope that love will win out!
Welcome to the forum too! So nice to see members of the same family joining. GrandmaJones is a treasure! You two are very lucky to have each other.
I wish you all the best and please keep us posted on your daughter's response!
Hadit
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palmtree67
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Thank you.
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whathappened
I am laying low. I haven't had any phone calls, letters, emails or anything, but that's not unusual. My daughter has a job and a 2 1/2 year old toddler son. Her husband is a handful himself. I am not going to push her. I very much doubt she will go to the elders because she is very private and I live in another state. Keeping up hope. Will let you all know when I hear anything from her.
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cantleave
Awesome job!!!!!
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Hoffnung
Whathappened, you are awesome! Amazing how well you approached your daughter, and that so quickly after you discovered everything yourself. This must have rocked your daughter to the core though. As you know your daughter best, you know how to handle it. Maybe pretty soon we have another family member on the board. It would indeed be great to have this booklet available on pdf. Wishing you all the best.
Pleasantly surprised at the response. I so hope your experience continues to be exceptional.