Who or What Helped YOU Get Out Of The Watchtower Mindset?

by minimus 43 Replies latest jw friends

  • james_woods
    james_woods
    James, YOU were one of the original Franz era "apostates".

    Yup - and I was long gone before CoC was published. At the time, I had the feeling that some of the main players (Ed, Marion, and Ray were all quite a bit older than me) were hoping in vain for some kind of reform. They were honest guys who wanted change of the WTS from within at first. I was a kind of hot-head in those days and just plain quit going about 10 months or so before Ed got kicked out of Bethel, and about that long before Marion quit. I was just certain that this was a man-made book publishing company and that there was never going to be any reform. Still am certain of that, as a matter of fact.

  • Slayerbard
    Slayerbard

    For me it was when a known married sister to an unblieving mate (Dfed) starting dating another singler brother before her divorce was final. No one asked the DFed husband if the adultry accusations were true. and when a sister. well little old me trying to point it out and expose what was going on. I was chewed out by and elder and EVERYTHING was covered up. She was a friend of said elder. To this day it bugs me.. later I started questioning thing, and bout the whole "blind obiedience" thing didn't sit well with me. how the accounts report were read and always seemd to have a deficit, even though there was like 3 grand in the bank.. (am I the ONLY ONE that did the math in my head and heard that??) I don't even think they read teh accounts reports anymore. I haven't heard one in like 6 months. I was told I just missed those thursdays.. I doubt that. I think the clincher for me was when I heard the Nasa and teh missing day urban legend relayed from the platform. Everyone sat there with amazed looks on their face. I was just annoyed cause it was obviously BS. then I stumbled across the REAL year of Bablyons distruction and the whole thing came crashing down.

  • Ding
    Ding

    For me it was tapes by Walter Martin and Bill Cetnar as well as Ted Dencher's book "Why I Left Jehovah's Witnesses."

    After that, Randy's "Thus Saith" booklet and CoC were the icing on the cake.

  • DagothUr
    DagothUr

    I studied the Bible and with more knowledge came more doubt and suddenly there was light! The Bible appeared in it's true light: not a book from God, but a book written by men who lived millenia ago. After I realized this, the cards-castle went down. I no longer saw a reason for doing what others considered right for me, I no longer saw a reason for wasting saturday and other days mornings knocking at strangers' doors, I no longer saw a reason for the crap that is the JW lifestyle. This was a slow process that constantly erroded my last grains of credulity (Christians call it "faith"). My mind was bombarded by "why"s, "what if"s and "how"s and they hammered constantly in my head. Months before my DA, I ceased praying. God was no longer real for me. And one day I decided to tell the GB to f... off.

    I stayed in the religion after I was un-witched because of the family I studied with. They were kind and I had much fun time with them. Two months after my DA, they shunned me twice, when we crossed paths in the city. Their feelings were not genuine, they were just wearing the mask from the beginning. They were a family of 2 pioneers, 2 indoctrinators. All the nice moments we had died in my memory and I will forget them all. I erased all their photos and burned all that I received from them. It's like beeing married to a woman you don't love, but you stay with her because she is rich. I was just grindmeat for the JW machine, a wealthy and educated young man on the road to eldership or even CO. There were no genuine feelings, just masks. I despise them all and they are dead to me.

  • minimus
    minimus

    When I read your comments, I can't help but think that the Organization has no chance to keep intelligent people in. Only sheeple who are weak will still want to believe.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    My father, the Bethelite, was severely abusive. I dislike being so different from my classmates. Love was impt to me. When I was in fifth grade, I could read better than the brothers. I had to hide my knowledge. My brother was ooh and ahhed over for having a penis. I was nothing.

    When my father died, my mom would not coerce us. I declared I had stopped believing completely for years. She was told I would not even comply with a court order directing me to attend. I embrace the world fully as a good creation.

    Against my father's express wishes, I graduated high school and received scholarships to Ivy League colleges. While I was a student at Columbia, I was astounded that neutral, historical New Testament studies was offered. With my fear, I took the course. We had to read the Bible in consecutive order with no skipping around. This process freedly me completely. I discovered clear misstatements on my own. I was stunned b/c the practice of quoting from so-called worldly scholary sources impressed me. I took Jesus as a historical person in the next course. Women used to hang around after class and talk about being female. My prof is one of the leading experts in Gnosticism. I learned of the diversity within Christianity from the beginning and what processes led a certain belief to have legitimacy.

    I'm not free after decades. Demons still scare me. I can't watch horror films. Under stress, I check my housing for my demon suspicious areas. 1975 was one of the worst years of my life b/c of fear. There is my rational, higher level brain and then there is my fear based reptilian brain.

    I became Anglican through a series of circumstances. The beauty of the architecture, music and liturgy appealed to me after the KH. Despite being active in church and its politics, sometimes I sit and smell incense, wondering, Who is really me? The JW girl in the ugly, ugly hall with the rif-raf or this more sophisticated person? I want to cry for the beauty. Certainly, God has aesthetics.

  • mythreesons
    mythreesons

    My wife and I looked into questions we have always had and ultimately decided to leave...for our kids. It's funny and sad but our parents tell us to "come back...for the kids! You're not giving them a chance!" REALLY?! Nope, our boys saved US.

    It's a story I've read here before. This month is the 1yr anniversary for us leaving (unless you count the memorial). What has helped me to get out of the WT mindset? Staying away. That is when I saw things in a whole new way. Once we left "auto-pilot" and our brains started working we couldn't shut them off!

  • skeeter1
    skeeter1

    Alan Feuerbacher, Barbara Anderson, and my own sweat equity of researching.

  • villabolo
    villabolo

    It was their very nature as an organization. I went in as a naive 14 year old thinking that I was learning the secrets of the Cosmos. I was 16 or so when I started having doubts. A few years later I finally couldn't take the pressure anymore and expressed my opinion on a small matter knowing I was going to get disfellowshipped for apostasy.

    Back to the beginning when I was new. I remember, when I was still studying, the man who studied with me made a comment on something we heard from the podium about the organization. He told me that the organization was just like a mule for the brothers to use. I thought nothing of it at the time but, later, I began to get troubled every time I heard some self congratulatory statement by the WTS. Examples:

    One speaker makes reference to an elderly couple whose wife said that every time she received the Watchtower magazine it was "like opening a letter from Jehovah".

    Another reference comparing the ark of the covenant to the organization. There was the account of the man who was struck dead by Jehovah because he touched the ark; trying to keep it from falling into the mud. He was likened to anyone trying to correct the WTS.

    Then the phrase, "Even if the organization is wrong how dare you try to correct it! You're running ahead of Jehovah."

    This narcissistic self worship and their pathetic attempts to turn every event or simile in the Bible into a symbol for their organization started repugning me to no end. It was as if I was sensing a demonic inversion of everything I had been taught to believe. The "Faithful Slave" being the Master and Jehovah being a ventriloquist puppet who would parrot any organizational cliche.

    I just couldn't take it emotionally anymore so I got myself kicked by the "mule".

    Villabolo

  • AudeSapere
    AudeSapere

    So many little things: Disrespect of children and disregard of children's rights. Knowledge of child sexual abuse in my congregation and how it was (mis-)handled by the elders. Physical spouse and child abuse in my own home and how it was (mis-)handled by the elders. Teen girls with no father being the congregation scapegoat for *all* the kids and how they were (mis-)handled by the elders.

    Actually, so many little things made me start to get out. They got me to the point of 'stepping aside' and separating myself from what I thought was the right organization going down a wrong path.

    Family and old friends interaction with me when I was diagnosed with cancer after I had faded for about 4 years.

    12 or 13 years later finding JWD/N. THAT truly helped me realize that I was shackled.

    Within a few days of reading on this board, these three issues cinched it for me:

    1. Mexico / Malawi

    2. UN NGO

    3. 607 BCE

    I learned about all three of those issues within a day or so of each other. But I think UN NGO was the *most* disturbing as I felt I really had been manipulated into a cult. 607 made me realize my intellect had been 'played'. Mexico/Malawi was just cruel and definitely *not* united.

    No looking back. I will not return to the org.

    -Aude.

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