by Scott77 29 Replies latest watchtower scandals
Please, just checking, with proof or first account, can anyone enlighten us on that? If that is correct, Iam going to be profoundly shocked to the bone. Otherwise, I could consider myself to be a fool. How could I never have known that before? Comes on.
Scott77
He didn't need a brothel he always had woman as his assistants, single woman of course.
Booze, Cadillacs, woman and a rich publishing company in his hands.
No wonder he was separated from his wife and his son dis-owned him.
They realized he was an asshole.
In the book "Apocalypse Delayed" there is a reference on page 48 to Rutherford attending a burlesque show right before he attended the Memorial.
Some of the info comes from a contemproary of Rutherford's who lived at Bethel and wrote a letter to Rutherford condemning his unChristian behavior in many matters. Rutherford never actually denied the accusations but rather said that making such accusations was like accusing all of the WTS.
see http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/8064/1/Joseph-Rutherford-and-Burlesque
No one really expects 'perfection' of their fellow humans, even of those in high station. Our past President, Bill Clinton certainly demonstrated that men in high station can and do give into acts that are not accepted by the public at large. Likewise, I doubt anyone expects that Joseph Rutherford would be perfect, but we would expect that as a human, he had his ways.
What about "True" Spiritual Leaders?: The question that needs to be asked is, 'Can we expect something more from a man or woman who is called, chosen, appointed, selected, anointed, and used by God as a contemporary Prophet to lead His people?' If such a man in high station, or an organization who has these men at their helm, and claiming to 'keep their organization clean', holding to high and 'lofty' standards, and being God's 'Channel of Truth' for all mankind in these 'Last Days' of a 'wicked' system, then are we not to expect that these men are in someway blessed, and guarded from bringing reproach on God, and that God is careful to select the 'creme de la creme' of His people to represent His Kingdom interests here on earth? A representation that is said to be the 'sole source of truth and enlightment from God' for the entire planet?
What kind of man, therefore, was this Judge Joseph F. Rutherford?: He was known to "... use vulgar language, and sufferred from alcoholism, ..." - Apocalypse Delayed, P.48, M. James Penton.
Rutherford was once accused of attending a 'burlesque' show (a type of glorified nudie bar) with fellow Elders, a young Bible Student woman, on the evening of the Memorial celebration. - ibid.
"On 27 April 1926 George H. Fisher wrote a letter to W. Nieman of Magdeburg, Germany accusing Rutherford of attending Al Jolson's Winter Garden Theater to see the Paris Edition of the then notorious show 'Artists and Models.' ... Rutherford's lame answer to Fisher's charge was that he was too busy in the Lord's work to be bothered with replying to such criticism, and anyway, had never seen Al Jolson in his life and did not know what he looked like." ibid, P.318, Note 4. Also see The Golden Age (4 May 1927), 505, 506)
Did not know what Al Jolson looked like? Then, if that is true, I don't know what Elvis Presley or the Beatles looked like either. Come on! In 1927 Al Jolson was the biggest thing since Peanut Butter!
Who was George H. Fisher? He was a close trusted Rutherford selection to be on the Board of Directors. Fisher was among the four selected to replace the four Directors that Rutherford had earlier removed. So, George H. Fisher was not one of those fallen 'evil slave', but specially chosen by Rutherford to serve alongside him in directing the Lord's work. Fisher was effectively the equivalent of a member of the GB today.
What did Fisher have to make his case?: George Fisher wanted to take Ruthrford before the Bible Student 'ecclesia' for discipline, and he documented this in the above referenced letter, and had the necessary witnesses to do so. ibid, P.318.
There you have it! Rutherford did not deny being at the Burlesque show (again, a type of glorified nudie bar). He did not bring forth an alibi or witnesses to the contrary. He did not submit to 'Theocratic Procedure' in harmony with the Bible, answering to and be confronted by multiple witnesses to the same act. He did not submit to the legitimate concerns of a fellow Director (GB Member) No, Joey Boozy, Cigar-smokin Ratherflawed was tooooooooo busy in the Looooorddddd's work to respond. - Amazing
You would not have known about this before because the WTS insists old history isold light and therefore not worth reading
I think this is confusing two different things, the Rutherford/burlesque thing (which did not involve a brothel) and the Bethel brothel story (which did not involve Rutherford). There have been threads on past about the brothel/wife swapping thing, maybe someone could dig them up, as they had specific information.
Scott you asked for a first Account. I have no first hand knowledge of this. Is anyone alive who would?
Here's the thread.....it looks like the wife-swapping/brothel incident was from the early 1950s:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/172374/1/Did-Charles-Russell-run-a-brothel
:I have no first hand knowledge of this. Is anyone alive who would?
Rutherford DIED seventy years ago. Yeah. There must be millions of people who knew Rutherford intimately from the adult age of 20 back then to 40 back then who would now be 90 to 110 years old today who could bring forth first hand knowledge of that. We just need to find them.
I'll get right on that one. I'll start with Google: "wanted: someone around a hundred years old who can provide "first hand" evidence that Joseph Franklin Rutherford frequented a brothel near Bethel. With pictures, please. Discretion assured." I probably should run that one on Craig's List, too.
Farkel
Jesus drank with the tax collectors and other dregs, didn't he? And he was seen in the company of whores, was he not? MAybe the judge was just trying to bring those evil bottles of booze into the truth.
