follow-up to the yearbook reference to writing committee gettin it right

by therevealer 10 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  therevealer

  I just love this one - for years (over 30) it was one thought (any that would have questioned would have been bad) but then as this article states "it became clear that it had nothing to do with".

  *** w07 5/1 p. 30 Questions From Readers ***From the late 1800's until 1931, the main thrust of the preaching work was the gathering of the remaining members of the body of Christ. In 1931 the Bible Students took the Bible-based name Jehovah's Witnesses, and in the November 15, 1933, issue of The Watchtower, the thought was expressed that this unique name was the "denarius" referred to in Jesus' parable recorded at Matthew 20:1-16. The 12 hours mentioned in the parable were thought to correspond to the 12 years from 1919 to 1931. For many years after that, it was believed that the call to the heavenly Kingdom had ended in 1931 and that those called to be joint heirs with Christ in 1930 and 1931 were "the last" called. (Matthew 20:6-8) However, in 1966 an adjusted understanding of that parable was presented, and it became clear that it had nothing to do with the end of the calling of the anointed.

  So much for accuracy and gettin it right.
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  therevealer

  Also note that it was simply an adjusted understanding. Not like it was an admission that they were totally "wrong" for many years.
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  FatFreek 2005

  Hmmm ... "However, in 1966 an adjusted understanding of that parable was presented, and it became clear that it had nothing to do with the end of the calling of the anointed.", appears confusing. Here is what they said the very next year, 1967:

  *** w67 11/15 p. 694 par. 10 Orders for Worldwide Fishing, Apparently, by the years 1931-1935 all symbolic fish suitable for the kingdom of the heavens had been caught to complete the foreordained number of 144,000 joint heirs of Christ.

  What have I overlooked? Len
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  darth frosty

  Good one FF
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  Ding

  Rutherford came up with an amazing array of symbolic interpretations of Bible verses, all of them justifying his latest actions.

  Every Bible person represented some class or other -- an Elijah class, a Ruth class, etc.

  His opponents were the "evil slave class" or the "swine class" or something similar.

  Events in Revelation became symbols of WT assemblies he conducted.

  After he died, the organization let it die on the vine.

  It became "old light" and they let most of Rutherford's nonsense pass from memory.

  Occasionally, I ask a JW whatever happened to all these classes of people -- were they biblical, where are they now? Etc.

  All I get in reply are blank stares.

  "Classes? What classes?... Oh, I don't know. We don't teach that any more..."
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  therevealer

  Ah yes. We can go on for some time looking at what "they said" and when etc. I personally was not bringing this up to debate dogma or even jw dogma. For me the point is simple. For many years they taught something about a parable and what the flock should beleive. Then when they could see that it made no sense and that there was no easy fix they admitted that it had "nothing" to do with it. A more honest statement would have been "it was realized that we were totally wrong". But of course we can't have any of that, because it was Jehovah's holy spirit that guided them in there interpretation for 30 years. So either his spirit misguided them or they weren't listening properly or heaven forbid the shite they spew has nothing to do with holy spirit. It is not unlike the overlapping generation bull shite. We seem to have painted ourselves into a corner here, so we either fess up that we don't know what we are talking about, or come up with a fanciful new explanation.
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  therevealer

  And FatFreek, although I don't get the impression that I need to enlighten you, in the april 15 2010 tower they almost advertise how they keep changing their minds. Of course when they do it they explain it away as new light and a desire to get it right. When christendom does it (changes any aspect of dogma or beleif) it is proof that they are part of babylon the great and guided by satan.
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  St George of England

  However, in 1966 they dropped the 1931 date and replaced it with 1935 as the last date for the annointed. This date continued until about 2007.

  George
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  FatFreek 2005

  I know now I didn't make myself clear. Here's what they said, "However, in 1966 an adjusted understanding of that parable was presented, and it became clear that it had nothing to do with the end of the calling of the anointed." The problem I see (or don't see) is in which WT publication of 1966 did they adjust their understanding? They usually, if not always, reference what they have said by quoting hard copy.

  The mystery to me is that they don't here reference where, in 1966 that they said that. That forces me to make an assumption, that they were talking of the "parable of the vineyard", referenced in Watchtower the following year, 1967.

  Was that year 1966 a typo? Did they really mean 1967 instead?

  Len
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  therevealer

  Yes FatFreek. I get your drift. It was a 67 tower. this is the full reference:

  *** w07 5/1 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers ***
  Questions From Readers
  When does the calling of Christians to a heavenly hope cease?
  The Bible does not reveal a precise answer to that question. We do know that the anointing of Jesus' disciples with a view to their heavenly inheritance began in 33 C.E. (Acts 2:1-4) We also know that after the death of the apostles, genuine anointed Christian "wheat" came to "grow together" with counterfeit Christians, "weeds." (Matthew 13:24-30) Then, starting in the late 1800's, anointed Christians were again prominently active. In 1919 "the harvest of the earth," including the gathering of the final ones of the anointed, began to be reaped.-Revelation 14:15, 16.
  From the late 1800's until 1931, the main thrust of the preaching work was the gathering of the remaining members of the body of Christ. In 1931 the Bible Students took the Bible-based name Jehovah's Witnesses, and in the November 15, 1933, issue of The Watchtower, the thought was expressed that this unique name was the "denarius" referred to in Jesus' parable recorded at Matthew 20:1-16. The 12 hours mentioned in the parable were thought to correspond to the 12 years from 1919 to 1931. For many years after that, it was believed that the call to the heavenly Kingdom had ended in 1931 and that those called to be joint heirs with Christ in 1930 and 1931 were "the last" called. (Matthew 20:6-8) However, in 1966 an adjusted understanding of that parable was presented, and it became clear that it had nothing to do with the end of the calling of the anointed.
  In 1935 the "great crowd" of Revelation 7:9-15 was understood to be made up of "other sheep," Christians with an earthly hope, who would appear on the world scene in "the last days" and who as a group would survive Armageddon. (John 10:16; 2 Timothy 3:1; Revelation 21:3, 4) After that year, the thrust of the disciple-making work turned to the gathering in of the great crowd. Hence, especially after 1966 it was believed that the heavenly call ceased in 1935. This seemed to be confirmed when almost all who were baptized after 1935 felt that they had the earthly hope. Thereafter, any called to the heavenly hope were believed to be replacements for anointed Christians who had proved unfaithful.
  Without a doubt, if one of the anointed unrepentantly falls away, Jehovah does call another individual to take his place. (Romans 11:17-22) However, the number of genuine anointed ones who have become unfaithful is likely not large. On the other hand, as time has gone by, some Christians baptized after 1935 have had witness borne to them that they have the heavenly hope. (Romans 8:16, 17) Thus, it appears that we cannot set a specific date for when the calling of Christians to the heavenly hope ends.
  How should a person be viewed who has determined in his heart that he is now anointed and begins to partake of the emblems at the Memorial? He should not be judged. The matter is between him and Jehovah. (Romans 14:12) However, genuine anointed Christians do not demand special attention. They do not believe that their being of the anointed gives them special "insights," beyond what even some experienced members of the great crowd may have. They do not believe that they necessarily have more holy spirit than their companions of the other sheep have; nor do they expect special treatment or claim that their partaking of the emblems places them above the appointed elders in the congregation. They humbly remember that some anointed men in the first century did not qualify to serve as elders or ministerial servants. (1 Timothy 3:1-10, 12, 13; Titus 1:5-9; James 3:1) Some anointed Christians were even spiritually weak. (1 Thessalonians 5:14) And sisters, although anointed, did not teach in the congregation.-1 Timothy 2:11, 12.
  Hence, anointed Christians along with their other sheep companions strive to stay spiritually strong, cultivating the fruitage of the spirit and working for the peace of the congregation. All Christians, whether anointed or of the other sheep, work hard at preaching the good news and making disciples under the direction of the Governing Body. Anointed Christians are content to do this for as long as it is God's will that they remain on earth as Jehovah's servants.