Jesus Potter and the Muggles of Gullibility.

by whereami 16 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  whereami

  Please Qcmbr you need to stop making sense. I quoted this on another thread and I'll put here again:

  "Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo".
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  tec

  You are not understanding me.

  It does not matter if you could get people to believe Harry Potter after a while, because you did not write it. It matters if the authors believed it or not, in order to make the comparison.

  That is all.

  Tammy
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  just n from bethel

  The good thing about many former JWs on this site, is that they (many of them at least) are interested in proof, rational logic, evidence, facts, and ultimately truth - even if it supercedes their presuppositions from their cultural/religious background.

  What is interesting, is how there are a few die-hard "christians" that were never JWs but post thousands of times trying to push/defend their Christian beliefs, but never post any evidence whatsoever as to how those beliefs could be tested and proven true. The good thing about having been a JW, is that there comes a point when a real truth seeker, starts trying to back up their beliefs with facts and evidence. Ultimately they see JWs don't have the proof to back their claims, and decide that any other belief system presented to them, needs to demonstrate real hard truthful evidence as well.

  The never-been-a-JW christian, doesn't seem to have such a desire. I remember chalam, thought this place was his assigned territory by the Lord and that the ridiculous fake tongue speakers and healer videos on youtube were proof that we should all believe. He really thought of himself as some kind of online pastor to all these poor JWs that were leaving the org due to lack of evidence. and yet, his stuff was as nutty or or worse than JWs - certainly lacking any fact-based evidence.

  If there's one thing I'm glad about being raised a JW, it's that they did teach (even if they didn't really mean it) to prove to yourself what you believe. Even if that has back-fired on them, I'm thankful for it. Had I been born a fundamentalist or of some other faith based credulous christian belief system, I may never have tried that hard to prove what I believe was true. I probably would have just accepted that the geographic area and culture of the world I was born in was the right one when it came to religous beliefs.

  But I am glad that such ones, whether former JWs or not, come here and push their beliefs despite not having any evidence for such beliefs. It's good to be reminded that JWs aren't the only ones in this world who think make-believe stories are true - despite no evidence whatsoever. For that, I thank you.
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  whereami

  Exellent points just n from bethel.

  I've always found it amusing that we pile up on the dubs for their wacky doctrins, which they are, but then these same people that did "research" on their former cult have amnesia all of the sudden. Very bizarre indeed.
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  tec

  Qcmbr - I think we just took different things away from the video. I appreciate, that even though we disagree, we managed to discuss the topic without questioning one another's character.

  I don't even disagree with you that men have used religion to control the masses, gain power, money, etc. The only point that I am disagreeing with you is that the actual people who wrote the various books or letters (many just personal letters not expected to have been turned into scripture), just faked it for those reasons, believing that they were writing fiction all along.

  Tammy
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  MrFreeze

  It's awful convenient that God is invisible. This way you can't prove or disprove it!

  I could say Hogwarts exists and is just invisible. You can't disprove it!
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  wobble

  What amuses me is the way apologists ignore the things that are pointed out to them and come out with the same old tosh time and time again, i.e Awen's claim, in his poor attempt at sarcasm above, that the Bible provides "scientific data on the shape of the Earth...........certain historical events that later proved to be true".

  Please, Awen and anybody tempted to waste our time on here, go and look at threads like "A Sphere is not a Circle" and the numerous threads pointing out the Biblical historical errors.