Is There Salvation Outside of The New Covenant? (page 4)

PSacramento

Perry,

I don't understand what you wrote here:

In any case, salvation is not conducted outside of, or not under the New Covenant, which is the point of this thread.

Are you saying that one must be under the New Covenant to be saved?

ProdigalSon

Perry said,

That's the whole point... he was shown mercy precisely because he was a son. No children of Adam starts out as a son of God.

There's a couple of things glaringly wrong with this statement. But I do understand how you could say this, coinsidering the Bible's complete contradiction of itself and the impossibility of establishing a coherent doctrine from its pages.

First of all, Jesus said that in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, you have to be like these little children. But according to certain parts of the Bible, they are not children of God yet. No, instead, let's wait until they grow up full of egos programmed into them by ignorant adults, and they become pompous, presumptous judgmental idiots, and when they fight their way past that and finally live up to whatever God's standard is for being accepted into the [Pharisee] family, then they are children of God. Is that correct?

Second, the Prodigal Son lived a totally debauched life, squandered everything, and although he was "repentant", it is obvious, because this is a parable, that this is the scene in "heaven" after the son has died and has returned to his maker. Tell me what idiot would not be repentant for a totally wicked and selfish life after he has died and is standing before his heavenly father??

SweetBabyCheezits

The Watchtower has been around for centuries too. Big deal.

Are you applying the day for a year rule, Perry?

What does it matter SBC? They both have about the same amount of realism.

True, Sooner. The only difference is I feel a bit less ridiculous having a serious discussion about the Halo Covenant.

designs

Was the 'Jesus' character really who the NT Bishops led people to believe. You can make up a Mark Twain type story and have the dots you want connecting.

How could Jesus 'save' people who were already saved, that's the laughable part of the NT. Its like Jesus explaining the resurrection and having Martha and Mary way ahead of him, or Jesus describing how spiritually pitiable the Jews were yet every time he shows up to a Synagogue its already packed with believers already engaged in their worship.

Was 'Jesus' of the Bishops invention just a little behind on the uptick.....

PSacramento

How could Jesus 'save' people who were already saved

Oh I am sure they THOUGHT they were, they certainly acted that way.

Of course the fact that the Hebrews called YHWH their saviour probably means that at one point they believed they needed saving.

designs

Spoken like a true anti-semetic christian

Listen, they had a fully developed idea on the resurrection and on what God wanted at the time of this 'Jesus' invention. Everything in the NT signals how out of step the Bishops were with their understanding of Judaism.

PSacramento

Spoken like a true anti-semetic christian

Oivey !!

Someone is wearing his all might judgment hat today !

Listen, they had a fully developed idea on the resurrection and on what God wanted at the time of this 'Jesus' invention.

I am sure they did, they just weren't right about all of it, that's all.

Invention? really? dude...

DagothUr

You can't save a child from the Boogey Man until you dispel the fear that lives in the imagination. God lives in the imagination of people and they fear him...This means I'm already saved. I fear no longer.

designs

'they just weren't right about it' oh brother Its religion, everybody makes it up as they go along.

Perry

Perry, I don't understand what you wrote here:

In any case, salvation is not conducted outside of, or not under the New Covenant, which is the point of this thread.

Are you saying that one must be under the New Covenant to be saved?

Of course that is what I am saying. Re-read my opening post. I offer a $10,000.00 reward to anyone that show even one NT - KJV scripture that shows how a person can get their sins forgiven outside of the New Covenant.

"I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever... Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life" - Jesus of Nazareth

...he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. - John 3: 36b

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not
the Son of God hath not life. - 1 John 5: 12

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Luke 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

Is There Salvation Outside of The New Covenant?

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