by NewChapter 23 Replies latest jw friends
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But when I come back Im going to help change it from within.
What I mean about changing it from within . Is the plan that I have ( when I get reinstated ), is to eventually become an Elder. Im going to try to make it better and try to treat people with respect and . Any more questions ?
Any more questions ?
Yes. Several.
Any idea how long it takes for a DFd person to become an elder? I was raised in, never DFd, and I never made elder in more than 25 years from my baptism. Do you have a plan for the fast track? Would you share it with us?
Why are you wanting to go back, anyway?
Have you read Combatting Cult Mind Control and Crisis of Conscience?
What's your favorite book? Movie? TV show?
I recall a friend that was disfellowshipped for quite a while and she got reinstated about 4 years later. Things were never the same for her and she developed a hatred for witnesses. While she was disfelloshipped, "friends" gossiped about her situation and just made the situation worse. She attended the meetings for a while after her reinstatement and then she dropped off the face of the earth. The pressure became too much for her and she said to me "the hell with those mutha*******".
Any more questions
No, no questions really. I am just perplexed that you think the org. can be reformed. I guess I'm saying that I don't believe you can make it better. You can certainly be better personally, but you will be supporting a system that demands you shun your family and friends if they say so. If you were an elder, you would be marking the people to be shunned. You couldn't encourage members to go ahead and show love, because you would not be supporting the org. and you would no longer qualify as an elder. As an elder, you will do it their way, or they won't use you.
Maybe I do have some questions. Why do you want to be an elder, and one day, be responsible for tearing families apart? I understand if you be reinstated, because the stakes are high. But why would you want to actually feed the sickness by taking a leadership role? WT is not going to change for you. Perhaps you are still captive to the concept. I agree with Sweeny, you should read those books.
AND....What is your favorite book, movie and TV show?
I have too many favorite books to name just one. Right now, I'm very excited for the new Jean Auel book coming out in her Earth's Children series. My least favorite is the Bible.
I really love the movie O Brother Where Art Thou? I'm a sucker for geeky music. Donnie Darko is another favorite.
At the moment, Dexter and Big Love top my tv favorite lists. I also like Rachel Maddow, The Daily Show, and The Colbert Report.
My sister was df'd 7 ears ago and got reinstated within 2 years. There is still one so called friend from her former cong that won't have anything to do with her, and they were really good friends for years. before. So much love! GAG
I'm still out and df and being shunned,and i just can't see them ever forgetting or forgiving me or anyone else that has been df okay!It might be human nature to look down on reinstated ones but,with a Nazi like HQ in NYC pushing this shit,people in there become conditioned to fear everything,how sad folks.I'm never going back to the place that ruined my life,as they have already waisted the best years of my life.Life is way too short for living in a JonesTown like environment!I actually feel sorry for all of them in there,because when the light finally comes on in there minds, and they realize that they were betrayed and fooled by endless lies,how very very very sad people!
I DA'd 2 1/2 years ago, and because my own children decided to shun me I just had to go back. I could not live without a relationship with them. So after 1 year attending meetings I got reinstated. I can happily say that my relation with my girls are really good now even if I dont attend meetings or FS. I was welcomed by many of the members of the congo, but I definetly could feel the cold from several, and many have not till this day even said hello. Of cours the only reason I went back was my daughters, and I am now a 100% fader. I really do not want to associate with JW's. I have no contact with any of my JW's so called true friends now. The few that showed some interest dissapeared after me sympathizing with an apostate on facebook.
I am convinced most of my (former) friends label me as a really bad mother, turning my back not only on Jehovah but also on my own children, well thats what the elders told me. And those who welcomed me when I got reinstated claiming they had missed me, I have not heard from yet. And frankly, I do not greeve it.
I was d/f when I was 17. Reinstated when I was 18. Everyone was glad to have me back. There was no difference in how I was treated. Once an elder told me that I was a fine example of a jw. I truly felt loved by my JW
friends. I have no bad feelings against the jws personally. I can truthfully say I loved them and I think they loved me. After I was d/f the second time for apostacy none of them spoke to me but I know they don't hate me.
They just don't want to disobey the WTS.
I remember how long people had to be reinstated to get "privileges."
1 year = regular pioneer
*** km 2/91 p. 7 Announcements ***A fullyear must have passed following a judicial reproof or reinstatement before one can be considered for auxiliary or regular pioneer service.—See OurKingdomMinistry insert, August 1986, paragraphs 21 and 23.
1 to 5 = MS
5 to 20 = elder
*** km 8/75 p. 6 To All Bodies of Elders ***With regard to one who has been reinstated and who is being considered for further privileges, it is clear that he should have ‘lived down’ the reproach he brought on himself by his wrong act, doing this by building up a convincing record of righteousness that would serve to counterbalance the effect of the past wrong. This might involve only a few years, but possibly many years, to do, depending upon the notorious nature of the wrongdoing. In any case, such reinstated one should first be recommended as a ministerial servant.
yet except in rare circumstances = 0 years to be allowed to go door to door
Now this was in my area and there is always "flexibility" depending on the elder body or the region
But imagine, qualified to represent the "only true God" but but not the "privileges" above
So how many years did the prodigal son have to be put on hold before he was fully accepted into the family. What did the father say to the older son about his sour grapes at his brother being so warmly welcomed back.
(Luke 15:25-32) 25 “Now his older son was in the field; and as he came and got near the house he heard a music concert and dancing. 26 So he called one of the servants to him and inquired what these things meant. 27 He said to him, ‘Your brother has come, and your father slaughtered the fattened young bull, because he got him back in good health.’ 28 But he became wrathful and was unwilling to go in. Then his father came out and began to entreat him. 29 In reply he said to his father, ‘Here it is so many years I have slaved for you and never once did I transgress your commandment, and yet to me you never once gave a kid for me to enjoy myself with my friends. 30 But as soon as this your son who ate up your means of living with harlots arrived, you slaughtered the fattened young bull for him.’ 31 Then he said to him, ‘Child, you have always been with me, and all the things that are mine are yours; 32 but we just had to enjoy ourselves and rejoice, because this your brother was dead and came to life, and he was lost and was found.’”
When love turns into a tool used against you...it fargin hurts. You tend to not put that weapon in their hands again.
