"Marry only in the Lord", along with other verses, Jehovah's commands, or Paul's advice?

by miseryloveselders 21 Replies latest jw friends

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    Paul was quite oppressive:

    <scriptures about love quoted>

    I think my point was unclear. Even the worst of dictators speak of love among their own people, and I'm not saying Paul was the worst, or even particularly bad, though it's all relative. Paul was an organizer and a rule-maker who didn't suffer contrary opinions. He oppressed and endorsed the shunning of "brothers" who disagreed with his version of Christianity. He groomed followers who agreed with him and then charged them with upholding his version of Christianity across Asia Minor. I don't think Jesus would have done such a thing and I think Paul had about as much holy spirit as the 21st century GB 2.0.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    I think this is very stupid. People that do this within the witlesses either don't marry at all or they get stuck with an abusive spouse. Usually the husband abuses the headship and turns abusive, and then there is no way out.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    The pastoral letters, like 1 and 2 Timothy MAY have been dictated by Paul but most agree that lots were added to it by others, the downplaying of womens roles for example, soemthing very UNLIKE Paul since he praises/points out women in Romans.

    The only scriptures in Paul's time where the Hebrew ones and though it is quite possible that the sayings of Jesus were already in circulation in some form or another, the Gospel was most likely being spread via oral tradition at the time.

    But what does Paul say? He says:

    10 Now you have observed my teaching, my conduct, my aim in life, my faith, my patience, my love, my steadfastness, 11 my persecutions, and my suffering the things that happened to me in Antioch, Iconium, and Lystra. What persecutions I endured! Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. 12 Indeed, all who want to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. 13 But wicked people and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving others and being deceived. 14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it, 15 and how from childhood you have known the sacred writings that are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is inspired by God and is b useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 so that everyone who belongs to God may be proficient, equipped for every good work.

    Remember that Timothywas Part Jew, so obviously the scripture he was exposed to since childhood was the Hebrew scriptures.

    Note that Paul says WHAT the scriptures are good for:

    Teaching, reproof, correction and training of doing whatis right.

    Paul doesn't go beyond that, nor does Paul place scripture as the WORD of God but simply inspired BY God ( the writers were inspired by God to write down what was written).

  • r51785
    r51785

    Marry only in the Lord, or marry only in the Watchtower?

  • dgp
    dgp

    We too may face situations for which we could be tempted to seek unscriptural solutions. For example, are you discouraged because you have no yet found a suitable marriage mate? If so, avoid any temptation to disobey Jehovah's command to marry "only in the Lord.

    "Suitable marriage mate" seems to mean "another Jehovah's witness".

    I have never understood how it is that you must remain married to your non-Jehovah's witness spouse, and give him "his dues", et cetera, and yet if you're single you "must not" marry a non-Jehovah's witness, even if the end result would be exactly the same as staying married. It's curious that marrying out is a "must not" even though formally it is not forbidden, only "discouraged". Doesn't make sense.

    Picture this. A couple of non-Jehovah's witness is perfectly happy. Then the witnesses knock on their door, and the wife converts. THAT means the husband is now "unsuitable", in principle, but she must stay married because "he is sanctified through her". Why the hell not sanctify others, then?

    Now, a Jehovah's witnesses "MUST NOT" divorce a spouse that is plainly incompatible. No, that does not make that spouse "unsuitable". It's also very odd that a person will become "a good marriage mate" if s/he does what the Watchtower says.

    But, of course, this is trying to reason with them, and they won't. The bottom line is, this is nonsense. It's about not letting any fresh air get in through the crevices. It doesn't matter who said it.

  • mamalove
    mamalove

    It is best to marry someone who you have a connection with, have fun with, above all respect, and of course love and adore. The WT stuff is their own rhetoric and should be disregarded.

  • jay88
    jay88

    Since Jesus was a Jew, I guess that means that all gentiles have to marry someone of Jewish descent?

  • Joliette
    Joliette

    This scripture is all about control. Making a person feel that they have to marry another dub so they wont get destroyed at the big A!

  • clarity
    clarity

    r51785,

    "Marry only in the Lord, or marry only in the Watchtower?"

    Don't laugh but it took a few months of being on here to realize your words!!!!!!!!!!

    To say I was pissed would be the biggest understatment ever!!! All those bloody years waiting for that illusive single brother to show up ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. So PISSED!

    clarity

  • miseryloveselders
    miseryloveselders

    r51785,

    "Marry only in the Lord, or marry only in the Watchtower?"

    Don't laugh but it took a few months of being on here to realize your words!!!!!!!!!!

    To say I was pissed would be the biggest understatment ever!!! All those bloody years waiting for that illusive single brother to show up ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. So PISSED!

    clarity

    Remember, God never commanded it, Paul said it, and the WT stated that God commanded it.

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