The Three Common Complaints by JWs Against "False Religion"

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  • sd-7
    sd-7

    You know them already:

    1. False doctrines, all taught to keep people in darkness, all done by those claiming to speak for God!

    2. Misconduct by the leaders and by the followers with impunity (ie. child abuse, adultery, etc., etc.).

    3. Bloodguilt via involvement in war and politics.

    It makes me think.

    #1. It's amazing how we never figured out that those "adjustments in understanding" meant, by definition, that the previous teaching was false. I think, apart from the re-re-re-boot of Matthew 24:34, removing the 1935 date for the final sealing of the anointed was probably a pretty big thing. When I think about it, it means that up until 2007, this falsehood was being taught to everyone without scriptural basis. It's strange that false doctrine is a pretty commonplace occurrence in the JW theology, yet innumerable errors are explained away. Anybody who complains about it is failing to recognize God's authority, somehow. I've yet to read the part where Moses says to Israel, "Oops--scratch out Commandment #7. Here's the 'adjusted understanding'." So, ironic that this same complaint against all other religions simply cannot be filed against JWs by virtue of the divine [invisible] cloak of authority.

    #2. How much does the average JW even know about the Governing Body? Very few could even name all of them. Most can readily identify the mistakes, even serious ones, of their local elders, I suppose. Any news reports of misconduct are dismissed as lies of Satan. Satan, we might add, has one heck of a media empire. I'd sure like to see HIS stock portfolio! Anyway, so #2 can't be filed against JWs because...oh, right, invisible cloak of authority.

    #3. JWs, as they were since 1931, weren't in any wars, I guess. Or politics, if you ignore Rutherford's anti-Semitic rants against Jews and big business in the 1934 Yearbook, or whatever else could be found from before then. If you call that politics... Anyway, bloodguilt is there from the medical treatment madness--first it was immunizations, then blood transfusions, then organ transplants for 13 years or so, and disallowing blood fractions until just about a decade ago. No statistics available on how many deaths those rules can be linked to (at least no complete statistics). But even this, again, is a "minor matter" that I'm "nitpicking" about. You know, innocent people dying with the blessing of their religious leaders? Is that all that different from the priests blessing the troops? #3 can't be filed because...well, it's no big deal and who are YOU to speak against...the ? Wow, I guess it really is invisible.

    JWs warn people to get out of Babylon the Great, which they say is false religion, to avoid sharing in her sins, her bloodguilt, her false teachings. Yet if the same--false teachings, bloodguilt, misconduct--is amongst JWs, it's just imperfection.

    My wife asked me on Saturday if I had a better way of being Christian than what the JWs are doing. Well, maybe, maybe not. But I do know what is definitely wrong. Should I keep lying or spreading somebody else's lies because I don't know of a better alternative? What does that tell God about me? All the liars go to the lake of fire, supposedly. I figure I'll take my chances by starting with an absence of lying, and go from there, you know?

    Guess the JWs should be careful what warnings they sound. Because, after all, people just might listen a little too closely.

    --sd-7

  • Terry
    Terry

    False religion is a hilarious misconception.

    Religion is superstitious storytelling which you buy into on Authority.

    One religion attempts to disprove another by revealing that the source of authority is a lie.

    Once this is done a different lie is told replacing the old one.

    The Big Lie is that there IS a source authority in the first place.

    All of it boils down to somebody making claims as a spokesman for God and Truth.

    Trading your own rational mind for the interpretations of some superstitious salesmen requires that you hide reality from your own mind.

    How? Accept the following premises.

    1.God doesn't deal directly with humans, he hires agents!

    2.There is only one official agent authorized to sell God's products.

    3.Ours is the official agency!

    4.We know how to interpret the bible and others don't.

  • sd-7
    sd-7

    I used to think about those points a lot, Terry. Found it odd that God never says anything, yet somehow we know what God says about [fill in the blank] because so-and-so said it, and God told so-and-so to say it. The sentence that calms my mind is always, "The universe is silent."

    --sd-7

  • whathappened
    whathappened

    Very good thread. I took notes so that I can defend my "apostasy."

  • garyneal
    garyneal

    marked good.

  • jamiebowers
    jamiebowers
    I figure I'll take my chances by starting with an absence of lying, and go from there, you know?

    What a fabulous answer to the erroroneous jw question, "Where would we go?"

  • Stargater
    Stargater

    The Jehovah's Witnesses remind me of the parable Jesus gave.

    Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? But he answered and said, Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted shall be rooted up. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

    Matthew 15

    Interesting. Every plant, or religion, which the Father has not planted, or established, shall be rooted up.

    The Jehovah's Witnesses try to mimic the New Testament by establishing a Governing Body similar to the Twelve Apostles. They're described as "a central group of experienced elders who oversee the worldwide congregation."

    I love how the website just throws out completely unsubstantiated information, such as: "During the 19th century, sincere Bible students calculated that the waiting period would end in 1914. World events that began in 1914 confirm that the calculation of these sincereBible students was correct. The fulfillment of Bible prophecy shows that in 1914, Christ became King and God’s heavenly Kingdom began to rule.

    What really astounds me is that all J.W. literature all sounds like it was written by some guy they keep in a closet with a typewriter somewhere.

    Now these leaders don't receive the word of God directly as the ancient apostles and prophets did, but if not, then how do we know they know what they're talking about? What if they just changed the dates and then didn't tell anyone? And what if those buzzwords in red were just put there to manipulate people? (Of course I know they wouldn't do that...I'm just giving a hypothetical.) And it they are blind, meaning they don't receive any revelation as the ancient apostles did, and we're blind, meaning we don't receive such revelation, either, then wouldn't they be blind leaders leading the blind (us)? I mean, let's say I'm a sincere Bible student of the 21st Century and that I calculate differently? And what if the fulfillment of Bible prophecy confirms/shows that I'm right and they're wrong?

    For example, what if Bible prophecy stated that the Jews would gather back to the lands of their inheritance? The "Bible Students" back before 1914 wouldn't have known that because it hadn't happened (nevertheless it would have been prophecied) until 1948 or so.

    Look, I'm just sayin' that God never told anyone that he was choosing those suits in Bethel to speak for him. He certainly never told me, and I don't see them listed in the Bible. Of course, maybe it's me. Maybe I missed the New York Times the day God announced it. To me, it sounds an awful lot like self appointment...kind of like (how should I say it?)...like this is all a "manmade" religion.

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  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut
    My wife asked me on Saturday if I had a better way of being Christian than what the JWs are doing.

    I could condemn "being Christian" altogether, but that won't win their hearts over. Your answer "Should I keep lying or spreading somebody else's lies because I don't know of a better alternative?" was pretty good. You might revisit that with something along the lines of "Just live the golden rule. Avoid being part of organized religion until you are sure of the right one and live according to your own view of morals and how Jesus meant for us to live."

  • onemore
    onemore

    These 3 common objections apply to them perfectly, but most JW fail to see and admit that they are just like any other religion… just a little bit worse than the mainstream Christian denominations.

    I believe that what makes most JW less objective, about other denomination, is their lack of knowledge of the Christian church’s history and the miss representation of the traditional (orthodox) Christian theology. Once you have a grasp of these basic concepts, you then have a better understanding of what Christianity is about, and of the meaning of Jesus’ “wheat & tears” parable (Matthew 13:24-50).

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