Jesus' Message - by sabastious (page 2)

tec

I love the idea of Jesus as a hippie activist (the long hair and robe helps with the image). But I don't think he discovered something new. I think he simply told the truth of how things were meant to be from the beginning. Of how God wanted them to be, but how far we had wandered from that. In essence; something old and discarded or forgotten.

Love God. Love your neighbors. Jesus states that God is love so the first command could better be described as “abide in love” because if you do that you are loving your God, whether you believe in him or not. The second command is the one that is going to take humanity a bit longer to accomplish

I think if people felt the first commandment, truly, that the second commandment would follow more easily. If you love God, then you will also love those who He loves... BECAUSE... he loves them. Its not always easy to abide in love. We misunderstand and misjudge people. But if the one you love, loves someone, then you think twice, and often love that person also, because of your love for the first.

I am not sure that there are less haters and more lovers today, though, Sab. Perhaps just that the lovers understand love a bit better, by loving Him and being loved by Him.

Tammy

sabastious

Its not always easy to abide in love.

It is very hard. I try my very best to and my temper gets the best of me way more often then I feel is appropriate.

-Sab

PSacramento

You are forgetting that Jesus took the "golden rule" ( which typically was stated in a negative way along the lines of "don't do this or that") and he expanded it.

Love God, Love your neighbour AND love your enemy, even to the point of praying for those that persecute you.

Jesus knew that Love is the force that breaks the circle of hate and violence and only by doing that, can one free our minds and spirit and truly love., love that will, eventually free the body as well.

Love, an all encompasing force given by God to ALL, but only able to be used and felt and lived by in it entirety IF one is in God and God in Us.

Love is something that can be measured, quantified, or even proven to exist, it is NOT a base emotion or even at times in our best interest as individuals or a group, Love is something that is truly divine and found only in Humans.

Love is a touch of divine, left over from a time we were One with God and God One with Us.

Love is truly divine.

sabastious

Jesus knew that Love is the force that breaks the circle of hate and violence and only by doing that, can one free our minds and spirit and truly love., love that will, eventually free the body as well.

I do think it's important to note that Jesus was a heavy idealist. He understood the true power of love, but here we are thousands of years later still not getting the point.

In our defense it takes technology to fill our basic needs before we can even mess with love. Without our need for survival satiated we tend to put love in a back seat to survival.

You could argue that there is a chicken egg problem here. It will take the love to unify the world in peace, but in order for us to give love a chance we need to be taken care of. Which comes first? Technology is the X-Factor here and if it provides our sustenance and quality of life then it will help the people of this planet see what peace brings.

Because there have been many times of peace on this planet for cultures, but if your life is sh*t anyway maybe a war could break the monotony?

-Sab

tec

Without our need for survival satiated we tend to put love in a back seat to survival.

Perhaps that is a mistake we make; putting our survival ahead of love. If nothing has changed, then perhaps it's because we continue to put our own needs (and wants) ahead of love for God and others.

One thing about faith... we should trust enough to do what we are asked. We should trust that Christ and God know what they're talking about. We are asked to love, to forgive, to turn the other cheek, to listen to Christ. We might not see the result of our actions (in the flesh) in our lifetime. But we can barely see the result of any action past the immediate consequences and sometimes not even that. So if a person has faith, then we should act on that faith and trust the One we profess to have faith in.

Loving others does not mean we cannot advance in technology, though, either. We don't have to advance technology through wars. We can advance through science, because of our love and desire to help protect people from natural disasters, accidents, disease and injuries.

Tammy

PSacramento

Sab, we have made huge and amazing progresses in technology, but, it can be argued, nothing comparable in regards to making us "better people".

As the 20th century showed us, technology couple with not being better people leads to massive amounts of death and destruction.

Imagine the adavnces we could make if LOVE was the driving force in ALL advances, inculuding technical ones.

If love drove us in regards to purification of water and transportation and desalinizations then there would be NO droughts !

If love drove us in regards to the technical advances in agriculture, there would be no famine.

If love drove us...well you get the picture.

Jesus was BEYOND an idealist, He KNEW/KNOWS what marvels we can achieve with love as our guiding source.

No other living being Loves like We do and that is what makes us unique, that spark of divine in us that, if we give the chance, drives us to heights we can't even begine to fathom.

sabastious

PSac,

Without security we are drove to madness. If a human is on the brink of starvation he might kill for food or do a variety of unethical things, because he is desperate. Most wouldn't, but some would; a brief study of our history would provides strong evidence that acts of love alone cannot turn, as a whole, the darker side of humanity. This darker side (the ones that do sadistic things to "survive") cannot embrace or put worth in anything, including love, until their survival needs are met.

Technology can do this and is doing it right now.

Think of how the world would change if we found a way to convert energy to matter? What if we had food replicators like in Gene Roddenberry's vision of mankind? Major problems would be solved. Before these problems are solved by technology love takes a back seat for the darker side of humanity.

-Sab

PSacramento

Think of how the world would change if we found a way to convert energy to matter? What if we had food replicators like in Gene Roddenberry's vision of mankind? Major problems would be solved. Before these problems are solved by technology love takes a back seat for the darker side of humanity.

I don't see it that way, I see love as the driving force that accomplishes these ends with technology as the tool, at least that is how I HOPE it to be, LOL !
The reality is far more commercial of course, bt my point is that IF the driving force was love, that we would have solved these problems already becayse we DO have the solutions already, they are just not viable commercially and economically or politcally.

The driving force for a better world is NOT love, but power, power over others, power to infulence and control, power for $$$ and all the goes with it.

Man is serving mammon when Man should be serving love and that is why we have not fixed all that WE CAN fix.

tec

Think of how the world would change if we found a way to convert energy to matter? What if we had food replicators like in Gene Roddenberry's vision of mankind? Major problems would be solved. Before these problems are solved by technology love takes a back seat for the darker side of humanity.

We could solve that now, without Gene's replicators. It isn't technology that keeps us from doing it. It is lack of love. It is the 'haves' not wanting to give up some of their comforts for the 'have nots'. First world countries could feed the third world countries (sometimes politics gets in the way, but again that is not lack of ability. First world countries are responsible for a lot of the dependency from third world countries also, but that's another thread).

But our main focus is on ourselves and our needs/comforts/desires, rather than on the uniting of the world, so that we ALL have enough of everything.

Tammy

sabastious

Perhaps that is a mistake we make; putting our survival ahead of love.

It's not a mistake across the board. There have been many in history that simply could not bother with love, especially the kind of love that Jesus was talking about. We are designed with a unique will to live. It's folly to think that humanity should, or even could, abandon our primary directive. Survival must be secured before love can spread throughout the world and no amount of idealism will ever change that.

In the meantime selflessness is possible on a smaller scale, especially within the individual. Individuals can find nirvana, even currently.

-Sab

Jesus' Message - by sabastious

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