DF Question

by TheLoveDoctor 22 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  Pahpa

  The GB can disfellowship a member "in abstentia" if that member refuses

  to meet with the judicial committee. I know a brother who requested

  the names of his accusers, the precise charges made against him and the names

  of the committee members before he would appear before them. The elders

  refused to answer any of these questions. As it turned out, it was

  later learned that two of the elders who were the accusers were

  also members of the judicial committee judging the case. The elders

  disfellowshipped this brother "in abstentia."
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  NeonMadman

  In theory, they should need at least two witnesses to disfellowship you. Oh, wait - that's only if you were a pedophile.
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  OUTLAW

  You can be DF`d anytime for any reason..But..As Scully pointed out..Your probably DA`d..

  It all has the same consequenses..

  

  .......................... ...OUTLAW
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  Skypilot

  Hi all, new to this forum just got approved to post. I hope I don't mess up and get disfellowshipped from the jwd forum ha. seriously I served as an elder for some 35 years and would like to comment on this topic. It would require two witnesses to your confession if you denied saying it. That is part of the reason elders investagate accusations in pairs, among other reasons. Let me clarify, a confession is sufficient without two witnesses but if you recant and only said it to one person, elder or not then it is not judical, being only one witness to the cofession. There should not even be a judical committee formed unless there is two witnesses or a confession to two witnesses. That being said it is not unheard of for the elders to proceed with a judicial case based on one confession feeling they have a open and shut case. Keep in mind that you do not have to lie if your conscience would not alow this, your are under no obligation to answer questions just because they are asked. Just be clear that you can say that there is only one witness and that you refrain from answering any questions. They will not like it but their hands will be tied. If they wrongfully df you it would be an easy appeal if you choose to do so. Simply ask for an appeal in writing within seven days of the decision, the letter can be brief. Having served on several appeal committees the appeal committee is only suppose to consider wheather you were repentant at the time of the original hearing or if there were proceedural mistakes that would of effected the decision. In your case as stated, that would be that there was only one witness. hope this is helpful
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  Black Sheep

  You are going to have to learn to stop telling them stuff and to only ever ask questions.

  The same goes for talking to your family.

  You know how they ID apostates. It gets hammered into you at meetings and DCs. They were listening too. If you want to tell them something you have to get clever and do it without sounding like an apostate.

  It could be that going to the JC and lying your ass off is the only way you won't get DFd. If you want to be able to communicate with your family, that might be your best option.
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  Pahpa

  Skypilot

  I've known cases where a person was df'd on the basis of a single

  "witness" testimony. For example, there were two elderly women

  whose relative was df'd. This relative forbid the elders to interrogate

  the women. But they sent a "spy" to visit them and ask them questions

  about their views. On the basis of this single testimony both women

  were df'd. It is important to realize that many of the rules and regulations

  are bent when elders are determined to eliminate suspected members.
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  DesirousOfChange

  LOVE DOCTOR -- How 'bout an update?
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  Skypilot

  I agree pahpa, I'm happy I don't have to try to judge peoples lives anymore
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  kimbo

  [ Im no fake ]

  can`t be in a fake religion

  or a religion that is full of lies
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  TheLoveDoctor

  Update

  Sundays meeting I was asked to meet with two elders, my thoughts....do they want to help me get past my doupts or are they trying for that 2nd witness. So I said not tonight probably tuesday but I wont cause thiers a wedding saturday that is someone in my cong. Iv known for years and plan to go who knows what they'll try if the just view me as an appostate.

  I may just try to avoid meeting with them and skip meetings left and right. I would do this only to make life eisier on my family and many I care about at the hall. However if they make it to difficult ILL meet and try to say im hadling matters myself, if that dont work Ill Be DF'd and deal with it cause I cant live a lie.

  My concern is that this does not ruin my marriage cause then I will be dissgruntled and not really shure what I'll do but it will be worse for the wts than for me and the ones I love, I'd cause more dammage for them.