Water Canopy? Huh?

Mr. Falcon

*** w80 11/15 p. 23 par. 4 “Jehovah of Armies” to the Rescue! ***
The fact that today we do not have a vast water canopy suspended high up in space and all around our globe and thus blocking direct sunlight, moonlight and starlight is because Jehovah saw what was going on down here upon his terrestrial footstool and took action. He deluged those suspended waters down from on high upon his footstool, not to bathe his feet, but to wipe out bad conditions among all mankind.

Please let me start by first apologizing if this was covered in some earlier thread. I'm still new to this site so I haven't searched through all of the former postings.

My question that I desperatelly would like answered concerns the supposed "water canopy" that the WTBS claims covered the earth at some early period in human history. I have read a lot of scientific material but I must admit that I've never seen any information regarding this claim. They seem to often allude to idea that prior to the Flood, mankind had never experienced precipitation before. We even had a talk this weekend and the speaker mentioned how when God said it would rain, Noah had to have faith because he had no idea what "rain" would be.

This hasn't sat well with me ever since I was young. It just doesn't make sense. Is there any scientific evidence that the world at one time was rain-less, enclosed in a "water canopy"? Wouldn't this go against the whole water-cycle?

Somebody please help me out with this one. It's bad enough that I'm expected to believe that one man was able to get 2 of EVERY kind of animal in a box, but now I have to believe that rain was actually created as a punishment to wicked mankind?

IT KEEPS ME UP AT NIGHT.

designs

Galoshes and Umbrellas, a Believers best friends..........

bohm

Falcon,

Is there any scientific evidence that the world at one time was rain-less, enclosed in a "water canopy"?

not at all.

its a completely retarded idea which is why they have stopped putting it into print. to get an idea of the overwhealming stupidity of the claim, here are some fossilized raindrops which must have been laid down pre-flood: http://geology.about.com/od/geology_co/ig/triceratrail/triceratrail8.htm

the idea of a water canopy can be traced back to a book written by Isaac Vail from around the 1890's. the book is a classic example of laughable physics, but he managed to convince Rutherford who wrote possitively about the water canopy in another book ("creation"?) from around the 1930's. if possible, that book is even worse, mainly because its author is extremely arrogant despite the fact he is talking out of his ass. For instance, the book claim birds fly because they move fast, and before the flying machine was invented nobody thought something heavier than air could fly. ahem. it is also from Vail (who ignored energy conservation..) they got the idea about the frozen mammoths.

from there on the idea of the water canopy and frozen mammoths just stuck, despite the fact the original arguments are long discredited and forgotten. AFAIK the watchtower today has no idea where the canopy came from, what it did, where it went, what impact it had on life or anything else -- its just an idea they cant say is wrong because older witness like to hang onto it.

sir82

Is there any scientific evidence that the world at one time was rain-less, enclosed in a "water canopy"?

None whatsoever; in fact there are mountains of evidence that not only did it never exist, it never could have existed. For one thing, it would cause such crushing pressure on the earth's surface that no life (at least "life as we know it") could exist.

Use the search feature on this site for info on the scientific impossibilities of a global flood. This is just one of literally dozens of reasons why the biblical account of a global flood occurring 4500 years ago did not happen.

Morbidzbaby

A water canopy is scientifically impossible...dammit I gotta search for the article that I read this in... Basically, from earth looking up, it would've looked like you were looking up from under the ocean. That warbly looking bright yellow blob? That's the sun. Not to mention the incredible atmospheric pressure created by all that dang water floating above our earth!

Seriously, if "god" created the earth perfect, with it's perfect water canopy, wouldn't unleashing the floodgates of said canopy screw up the entire ecosystem of things that he so perfectly created? An omnipotent being with such knowledge and foresight would have surely not done something SO STUPID.

Oh, and here's a link to a couple article that deal with the atmospheric pressure and carbon 14 dating... I dunno if they're credible or not, but they're interesting reads and give you something to ponder anyway...

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/canopy.html

Mr. Falcon

bohm & sir82...... THANK YOU! That woke me up!

Although no I feel like an idiot for having believed this shat for so long. I'm having "realization shock".

VM44

Here are some articles about the water canopy.

WHENCE THE FLOOD WATERS, The Flood and the Water Canopy Theory

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/152570/1/WHENCE-THE-FLOOD-WATERS-The-Flood-and-the-Water-Canopy-Theory

The Demise and Fall of the Water Vapor Canopy: A Fallen Creationist Idea

http://home.entouch.net/dmd/canopy.htm

Scientific Arguments Opposing a Canopy

http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/FAQ33.html

Mr. Falcon

Seriously, if "god" created the earth perfect, with it's perfect water canopy, wouldn't unleashing the floodgates of said canopy screw up the entire ecosystem of things that he so perfectly created? An omnipotent being with such knowledge and foresight would have surely not done something SO STUPID.

Morbidz, as usual, your logic rocks me. Like a hurricane.

thank you for the links VM44. Man, this is unsettling.

james_woods

its a completely retarded idea which is why they have stopped putting it into print.

Very interesting, Bohm - so this has become like the 7,000 year creative days, right? Never officially retracted, but just no longer presented as printed doctrine.

I had a book somewhere on atmospheric science which stated that if all the moisture in the atmosphere at any given time could somehow fall as rain all at once that it would only raise the sea level a little less than one inch.

We can get a lot of rain in a given location, but to cover the whole planet all at once is an enormous proposition. The atmosphere simply cannot hold that much water as vapor or clouds.

AnnOMaly

Doesn't the idea of some sort of water canopy go back even further to the old ANE view of cosmology? (I'm only beginning to dabble in this subject myself.)

http://theologica.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-gospel-according-to

Water Canopy? Huh?

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