Water Canopy? Huh? (page 2)

LostGeneration

Didn't the WT reference the "water canopy" again in one of their recent issues?

Morbidzbaby

Morbidz, as usual, your logic rocks me. Like a hurricane.

LMAO glad to be of service.

I can understand your shock at all this. I had the same reaction. Kind of a "What the fuuuuuu....?". With every new thing you learn, with every layer that is peeled back, you start to wonder more and more if ANYTHING you believed was true. This is where the line gets drawn. When you really start researching for yourself and decide what is true FOR YOU based on facts that you uncover FOR YOURSELF. It's scary at first... but I've found something incredible about myself through all of this. My BF told me he thinks I have a bit of ADD because of all the things I research. But after thinking about it, I realized that what seems like ADD to him is actually my brain thirsting for REAL KNOWLEDGE because it's been a Sahara my entire life. Bone dry, with a "brainstorm" resembling a desert sandstorm just kicking up the old ideas and theolgies I was raised with. So now I'm absorbing every drop of knowledge in the vast oasis of ideas the world has to offer. And I'm loving it! You will too!

bohm

LG, yes i vaguely remember that and thought it was odd. however, if you want to learn about the water canopy, where would you go? I think one need to go all the way back to the 70s or 80s to find anything other than the odd line or two, and even further back to find something substantive. Back in the 1930's, you could just read Rutherfords "Creation" book and there was page of page of specific details about how it affected the earth, the polar ice caps, the geological strata, etc.

Today they have realized the water canopy is a dead end. its simply not possible to say anything substative at all without getting into troubles, so they dont. but it has to be there, because older witness recall it and younger witness can refer to it in their own mind and think it somehow "fix" all the problems like C14, etc.

Franklin Massey

Falcon, I had a big issue with this one too. So many things about a water canopy didn't make sense. I went DEEP in my research of this and found out that not only is the water canopy idea stretching what the Bible says to ridiculous degreess, but also that the WT had been taking its teaching of the water canopy from Young Earth Creationist literature that had already been totally discredited by the scientific community at large. I don't believe the WT has "officially" taught the water canopy since the early 80s but they are totally fine with the idea being alive and well in the minds of JWs. I have heard many witnesses use it to explain "why we can't trust the fossil record" and how "we haven't been on earth as long as scientists say." I even had a brother tell me that he thinks God will bring the water canopy back in paradise so that we don't have issues with flooding and bad weather.

OUTLAW

FACTS & FICTIONS REGARDING NOAH'S FLOOD

An analysis of the facts and arguments surrounding the Flood of Genesis showing its true nature and meaning by Charles A Weisman (U.SA)

PART TWO

6. RAIN AND WATER

Another question involving physical science that is raised in light of a universal flood theory is - where did all the water come from to cover the entire earth and where did it go? We read in Chapter 7 of Genesis verses 19 & 20:

"And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered."

From these verses many say the Flood was worldwide, and that the tops of the highest mountains (about 29,000 feet) were covered with 15 cubits (about 22 feet) of water. This means the water level would have been five miles above the present sea level.

The water pressure would have been about 800 tons per square inch.Ten months of this pressure, along with a lack of light and mixture of salt water, would have destroyed all plant life and seeds on the planet. The entire life cycle,which depends on plants, would have ended, yet the animals released obviously found vegetation to eat.

Further thought requires us to ask where did all of this water come from to cover all the mountains on the planet? About 97.2% of all the water on earth, according to the United.States Geological Survey, currently resides in the oceans. The remainder of the earth's water is in the lakes, rivers, glaciers, polar ice caps, underground water, and atmospheric moisture. All of this water could not cover the face of the earth.

If all the atmospheric moisture fell abruptly in a continuous worldwide rainfall, the level of the oceans would rise less than five centimetres; and if, at the same time, all the glaciers (and polar caps) in the world melted (as they did many times in the past), sea level would rise only about sixty meters, barely enough to drown low coastal plains.(6)

There does not exist the water for a universal flood to occur. The total volume of water that exists on earth (and has for millions of years) is 1,359,843,000 cubic kilometres. If all of this water were to abruptly fall in a continuous worldwide rainfall, the level of the oceans would rise only about 75 meters (206 feet). It would take about 3 and 1/2 times this amount of water (4,441,800,000 cubic kilometres) to completely cover the earth's surface.

It can be easily seen that it is impossible for a worldwide flood to exist since the water does not exist to accomplish the job. But creationists like to envision a mysterious water canopy in space and great reservoirs of water underground which contributed to the Flood. Yet they also say that these two water sources now make up "the present oceanic systems."(7) For this to mean anything the earth would have to be flooded today. So the question still remains, where did all the water come from to completely flood the earth?

.......................... ...OUTLAW

VM44

What was the most recent Watchtowe reference to the water canopy?

Wasn't it in one of the online issues of the magazine?

Mr. Falcon

james_woods - great observation! It's made-up doctrine like this that makes a person wonder just how far down this rabbit-hole goes....

AnnOMaly - hey, it all began with crazy pyramid theory, so why stop there? Maybe the next WTBS publication that has maps in it will include this one:

Lost Generation - I would be fascinated if they still printed this nonsense nowadays, but like bohm mentioned, the older JWs still cling to it as Gospel.

Morbidz - I can completelly relate to those feelings! I used to think I knew so much, which is easy to do since we are always being told that we have the "greatest education on earth". It wasn't until I started questing for knowledge that I realized just how ignorant I truly am. Nothing prevents knowledge like arrogance.

Mr. Falcon

I have heard many witnesses use it to explain "why we can't trust the fossil record" and how "we haven't been on earth as long as scientists say." I even had a brother tell me that he thinks God will bring the water canopy back in paradise so that we don't have issues with flooding and bad weather.

Franklin, I also have heard various nonsensical comments that made me question my own sanity. It's terrifying that these people have completely deluded themselves into believing things that AREN'T even in the Bible itself. But some publishing company in Brooklyn said it so it must be true. Isn't that kinda what L. Ron Hubbard did sorta? I mean we've got CO's and elders walking around declaring themselves as "princes & dukes", we got people talking about water canopies, 9 year old girls getting baptized, made-up stories about seeing eye dogs leading people to Kingdom Halls (funny thread, BTW), I could go on and on....

.... yet we bash customs such as Santa Claus because he's a "silly myth". Yet I know now Santa Claus is NOT true, because if he was how could he fly his sleigh through the water canopy?

Outlaw - obviously the water that fell was miraculous. duh.

designs

You have to keep adding to God's List of oppsies-

Astonomy

Geology

Physics

Next: _______

lifeisgood

You know what makes me REALLY REALLY ANGRY? What I do for a living is figure things out. Companies hire me to tell them what they need to do to increase profits. Or fix their software. Or, any of a number of other questions dealing with how the company is run and how the software should support the company. I'm good at this or big companies would not hire me.

And yet, I believed all the stupid bullshit that the WTBTS liars told me for TWENTY YEARS. AAAAAARRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

It is like I turned my brain off before talking to those liars.

Water Canopy? Huh?

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