My Committment to JWD

by Amazing 32 Replies latest jw friends

  • fodeja
    fodeja

    Note to self: don't ever read topics created by Amazing again, even if they have such catchy titles as "Part MMLCXXI: A Small Wart on My Left Foot - History, Medical Implications, Future Development. A Comprehensive Manif^H^H^H^H^HEssay sprinkled with Lots of Bold-Printed Section Headings, Suggestive Questions, and Metaphor".

    Note to Simon: how about an "ego issues" forum?

    Note to Amazing: have you ever considered that the more you try to defend yourself, the more you prolong the debate you want(?) to end? I haven't followed this too closely, granted. I'm just observing people busy making asses of themselves. I gotta know, I'm pretty good at that. Don't have as much stamina, though.

    Furrf. Here's hoping I'll have better things to do at the age of fifty.

    f.

    Amendment to Note to Self: you'll be sorry for posting this.

  • Eric
    Eric

    First this:

    Some feel that they do not claim to be a judge of a state of mind, but then go ahead and judge other people's state of mind.

    Then this:

    I could be wrong, but I think you two are anal retentives starves(sic) for some serious attention from your husbands ...


    Since he is certainly not doing or saying anything out of normal for him, can I feel safe that I have properly understood what Amazing intended?

    Eric

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hi Waiting & Julie:

    Waiting! 12 years at Catholic school! I went to St. Francis de Sales in Riverside, California from 1st grade to 8th Grade. The High School was all girls, so to stay with Catholic School boys had to transfar over to Notre Dame High School in Riverside. We were not allowed to call them "Nuns" as that was viewed as a Protestant slur. We called them Sisters. Yes, the big rulers - Gawd! did I ever get whacked a couple of times. Our Principle was Sister Mary Richards. She was short, 5'2" or thereabouts ... but she was just plain mean. Oh the memories ... thanks ... this is fun.

    Julie: This is Super Bowel (Bowl) Sunday ... where the boys drink beer, have chips and cheese, cigars, and buuurrrrppppp!

    Hey, I didn't bring up your NAME ... I might have borrowed your words ... maybe a little ... well they are not your words, they belong to the English language. It is your configuration of those words that is making me fall in love with you.

    Now, Amnesian, she has class. I loved her response above ... her style of supercilious ficitiousness is awesome ... I love it ... and I have a new found apreciation for her.

    Hey, lighten up sweetie ... maybe we can run off together into cyber privacy ... you know ... tickle those little electronic toes ... well, this is cool ... type away darlin and wear those pretty fingers down to the nibs ... as I said, this is Super Bowl Sunday, and being a guy and all ... I just can't get mad at anyone. Buuurrrrp! Ahhhhhhh Crack open another Sam Adams Winter Lager ... getting ready for Pre-Game. Love ya. -

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hey fodeja:

    Note to self: don't ever read topics created by Amazing again, even if they have such catchy titles as "Part MMLCXXI: A Small Wart on My Left Foot - History, Medical Implications, Future Development. A Comprehensive Manif^H^H^H^H^HEssay sprinkled with Lots of Bold-Printed Section Headings, Suggestive Questions, and Metaphor".
    Note to Simon: how about an "ego issues" forum?

    Yea! Great Idea Fodeja ... cool bud Oh gawd! You need a beer and a cigar and some good Super Bowl action.

    Note to Amazing: have you ever considered that the more you try to defend yourself, the more you prolong the debate you want(?) to end?
    Defend? What did I defend? No need to defend. I just grovel at the feet of the Triune Club. I love it ... once I understood their style of humor, then it all made sense ... this is great!

    I haven't followed this too closely, granted. I'm just observing people busy making asses of themselves. I gotta know, I'm pretty good at that. Don't have as much stamina, though.
    I am with you there. Yep.

    Furrf. Here's hoping I'll have better things to do at the age of fifty.
    Hey, don't you have better things to do now? As I see it here you are, doing what you're gonna be doin the rest of your like ... addicted to ex-JW stuff. Cool ... we can both enable each other in our mutual addiction ... let's ROLL!

    You know, you are good too ... I like your style.

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hi Eric: You are damn GOOD!:

    First this: "Some feel that they do not claim to be a judge of a state of mind, but then go ahead and judge other people's state of mind." ... Then this: ... "I could be wrong, but I think you two are anal retentives starves(sic) for some serious attention from your husbands ..."

    By Gosh, you caught me! Ahhh Shucks ... now at least Eric you are seeing the point!

    Since he is certainly not doing or saying anything out of normal for him, can I feel safe that I have properly understood what Amazing intended? - Eric
    I don't know? I don't even know what I am saying. Did I mean that or did I not? What was my state of mind?

    Like I said above, I was dense at first ... must have been all that Cigar Smoke clogging the vessels in my brain ... but, I finally got it now ... and the humor is great.

  • TMS
    TMS

    egocentric, adjective. 1. dwelling upon one's self or upon one's own personal interests almost to the exclusion of everything else; viewing everything in relation to oneself; self-centered.

  • jukief
    jukief

    Although I've followed this round of disagreements, I've kept out of it. But I would like to make a few comments. Take them or leave them, as you see fit.

    I've been an active participant on the Internet since 1993--back in the days before the advent of the Web. So I have quite a few years of experience observing personalities and how people communicate in an electronic forum. And I've learned one thing: It's impossible to know someone well enough simply from reading his/her posts to made an informed decision about that person's true personality or motivations. Over the years, I've had the experience of reading people's posts, communicating with them extensively via email or telephone, and then eventually meeting them in person. I've found that, although I felt I got to know people fairly well via posts and email, it wasn't until I meet them and truly got to know them that I could partially begin to understand them.

    I said "partially." Why? I've also found during my 47 years of life--30 in the organization and 17 out of it--that people are complex beings, and it's nearly impossible to pin labels on people or understand their true motivations. I'll give you a couple of examples of why I feel this way.

    My little brother is an elder and circuit overseer in training. He and his wife have been regular pioneers for years; his only son just went to Bethel. He's a Nazi elder, which he's proved over the years by his actions. He starting shunning my sister and me more than 10 years ago based on the fact that we stopped attending meetings (we've never been DA'd or DF'd). He's refuses to participate in any family activities--including my parents' 50th anniversary--if my sister and I are in attendance. He's gone after people who weren't even in his congregation, in campaigns to get the "goods" on them and get them disfellowshipped. He has a reputation of being a hardliner, a mean bastard, an asshole. I've known him all 44 years of his life. I've observed him in almost every situation. I've had long talks with him. You would think that I'd be able to come to an informed conclusion about him--what personality type he has, what his motivations are, what makes him tick. But you'd be wrong. I honestly can't. My brother is a complex person; he's intelligent, but he's also had experiences and influences that I don't fully understand. My sister, my parents, and I have had long discussions trying to understand what makes him tick and figure out what he's going to do as the heat on the organization intensifies. None of us can do it. We simply don't know.

    Here's my second example. My first real job--after 11 years as a housewife (I got married as soon as I graduated from high school)--was a glazier in a busy commercial glass shop. I was an experiment, the first woman glazier in town. My boss was a guy named Lane (my father, who also worked at the glass shop, used to say, "When you know Lane, you know pain."). Lane's nickname around the shop was "Gabby" and it fit him perfectly. The man never shut up. He was the most obnoxious person I'd ever met, in ways that are difficult to explain. Hardly anyone in the shop liked him; in fact, most people went out of their way to avoid him. But I was stuck with him; he was my boss, and he took great delight in following me around and critiquing everything I did. Finally, after putting up with him for a month, I told him that he was obnoxious--quite a step for me, because I'm not a confrontational person and never say things like that to people. He took it pretty well, and I could see that he made an effort to be more likable. But he couldn't change the fact that he was Lane. As time went on, however, I started to see a different side to him. He was a giving person who went out of his way to do things for people. When I moved to Fort Collins to start school, he arranged for the rental of my moving truck (got me a sizeable discount), came over and loaded the entire truck, and then drove it up to Fort Collins for me because my dad's back was bothering him too much to drive. He unloaded on the other end and drove the truck the back (a 400-mile round trip). He gave up his whole weekend to do this for us. What I discovered from knowing Lane is that people can appear to be a certain way, and that aspect of their personality might be so overwhelming that it obscures other things about them. The secret of getting to know and appreciate people is to look past their shortcomings and focus on their good points. After many years of knowing Lane, I came to understand why he acted the way he did, and I was able to develop a genuine liking for him.

    This board has a real mix of people from a lot of different backgrounds. And each one of us comes here carrying a lot of baggage. Whether we like it (or admit it) or not, that baggage colors the way we see things and the way we react to people. Have you ever met someone and instantly taken a dislike to them? I have, and several times I realized later that I disliked the person because he/she reminded me of someone I didn't like or had had a bad experience with. I think that often happens. We all have experiences in our lives that cause us to react to stimuli in different ways. The person I might take an instant dislike to might be the same person someone else finds delightful and endearing; we'd have a hard time understanding each others' impressions.

    All I can say is that we need to give each other the benefit of a doubt. Most of us have suffered through some extremely difficult circumstances, and we need to be patient and understanding with each other. And we certainly shouldn't judge others' motives and personalities based merely on participation in this unrealistic forum.

    One last comment and then I'll shut up. Back in 1993, when I first got involved in the internet, I met some great people--some of them, like Alan, Marilyn, Kent, JanH, Norm, Ginny, and others--participate on this board. There weren't many of us ex-JW internet participants in those days, and we all formed friendships that endure to this day. We all wrote each other so often that we finally started a cc list, which evolved into a listserve that we named philia. For a while it was a delightful place. We have lively, interesting discussions. No one attacked anyone else. We allowed each other our foibles and differences of opinion; we were able to discuss controversial subjects without calling each other names or making personal attacks. But then philia started to change. We lost control of who joined, and soon the list had hundreds of people on it. People argued and sniped at each other; it was not a pleasant place. Eventually, every single one of the founding members left the group.

    For some reason, this seems to happen in every large internet community, and it happens here. That's one of the reasons I don't participate much; I don't like name calling, judgements, and personal attacks. For that reason, I've limited my participation in this forum and will continue to do so. I prefer to get to know people on a one-by-one basis. I've found too often that internet personas aren't a true representation of people's personalities.

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    I know where Amazing is coming from and I do empathise with him to some extent as I recognises similar aspects to mine in his personality. The main difference between us is that I have accepted that a small proportion of people with whom I associate actually do not like me!

    OK, shock, horror, how can this be, gasp etc etc, but it is true. Now, this reasoning is, of course, totally beyond me, am I not a most entertaining and reasonable fellow, am I not quick witted, charming, amusing and likeable?

    Well, maybe so, but what I consider to be my best points actually drives some people absolutely nuts with apoplectic fury. What I consider to be a natural tendency to have insights is seen by some as presumption. My normal easiness in taking a lead is perceived by others as arrogance, even being above my station.

    Well, sorry, if you don’t like me, you keep your distance and I will keep mine, is my answer to that. However, I will admit that at one point in my life, I would have moved heaven and earth to find out why I bugged someone so much. Now I accept that this is absolutely normal and I don't bother any more.

    Amazing, you will always get under the skin of some folk, it’s the price one pays for being interesting!

    Englishman

    Truth exists;only falsehood has to be invented. -Georges Braque

  • waiting
    waiting

    Back to the nuns.........

    One, if one didn't want to spend an hour in detention (or miss playgroung time -depending upon one's age), did not call them nuns within their hearing. One would say "sisters" for sure.

    As for Sister Rita Agnes - man, she was a righteous terror. But as Julie said - there were good ones too. Sister Vincent de Paul - art teacher for 4 years, and a couple of other classes. She had the same background as I - and recognized a kindred spirit of sorts. She kept me out of all kinds of trouble - when she could. Great woman.

    But she couldn't keep Sister Rita Agnes away from me.

    I agree with Eman on a good point. No one is going to like everyone, nor is everyone going to like any one given person. That's just the way it is.

    Life can be summed up in three words: "It goes on."

    And it does.

    waiting

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hey Englishman & Waiting: Great points.

    The main difference between us is that I have accepted that a small proportion of people with whom I associate actually do not like me!

    Today, was another step in liberation. From what? Not exactly sure. The above responses I made in humor helped ... kind of a therapy. This has been an ongoing process ... but today, Super Bowl Sunday ... 2/3/02 ... the key to the jailhouse door was found, and freedom feels good. I have some folks that do not like me for me, and not because I was a JW or an ex-JW, but they truly dislike me for myself ... and I love it! I am smiling with happiness. Thanks for Eman and Waiting for hjelping me achieve new high.

    Serously, yes, in most areas of life I have accepted that not everyone likes me. Somehow, I guess I had this fantasy that ex-JWs can never really dislike one another because of our common heritage. Truth is, unlike the forced "Happy-Faces" we had to have as JWs, we are also free to not have to like or be liked by everyone.

    Thanks again.

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