Is there a underlying pattern here or am I imagining things?

by Terry 14 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Terry
    Terry

    Judaism. Source authority: selection by Jehovah as CHOSEN PEOPLE.

    Claim for that authority: Promises and Prophecy and Legal covenant.

    Test of Authenticity: keeping the law.

    Failure: failing to perfectly obey the Law.

    Messianic Judiasm. Source authority: teachings of Jesus Christ as reported by oral accounts.

    Claim for that authority: Miracles, resurrection of Jesus as reported by oral accounts.

    Test of Authenticity: promised return of Jesus to eliminate enemies and establish his Kindom.

    Failure: Jesus did not return. Rome destroyed Jerusalem. Rise of pagan converts into a Christianity denying the power of Judaism.

    Early Church/Catholic central authority. Source authority: Peter made Pope by Jesus. Succession of Popes.

    Claim for that authority: Magisterium (Pope and Bishops infallible teachers) "what is bound on earth is bound in heaven."

    Test of Authenticity: Righteous earthly governance

    Failure: corruption at all levels. Pope and Bishops failures as leaders.

    Protestantism. Source authority: Martin Luther's doctrine SOLA SCRIPTURA (the infallibility of the bible in the hands of each christian believer.)

    Claim for that authority: the Holy spriit will teach directly the person of faith who reads the inerrant bible.

    Test of Authenticity: UNITY of teachings, harmony of the bible

    Failure: Christianity fractured into denominations each teaching competing doctrines. Higher Critics point out thousands of bible errors/corruption of text.

    Cults. Source authority: God directly choses a charismatic leader and reveals pure religion.

    Claim for authority: either inerrancy of their own Holy Book, their personal revelation or their interpretation of the bible.

    Test of Authenticity: prophecies and claims must meet with reality. Prophecies must come true.

    Failure: False prophesying. Corruption of leadership.

    The test of reality seems to cause claims of authority to crash and burn time and time again.

    MAYBE CLAIMS OF SPECIAL POWERS should be seen as hubris, lies and self-delusion.

    What do YOU think?

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    Do we even want everyone to know the truth? Couldn't that result in total chaos for us all?

    -Sab

  • miseryloveselders
    miseryloveselders

    Do we even want everyone to know the truth? Couldn't that result in total chaos for us all?

    -Sab

    Either that or we'd end up like that russian chick from Indiana Jones.

  • ProdigalSon
    ProdigalSon

    Terry, you have an amazing mind.

    Sab, if everyone knew the truth there would be chaos?

    How is Oneness of mind chaos?

    (edited by me)

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    'Couldn't that result in total chaos for us all?'

    'How is Oneness of mind chaos?'

    Actually, it's not the mind so much that generates oness. It's two or three levels underneath mind. From there, a person can often do the right thing in whatever given situation. I think that religion is a product of the mind. The mind should treated more like a servant than a governor.

    S

  • Terry
    Terry

    The very idea of Authority requires validation.

    In most societies there is a reason for allowing somebody authority over you.

    A child depends on the parents.

    A tribal or state leader is vested by the people (or by the power of the military)

    But there is always a TEST OF VALIDITY.

    If that test is not met there is a breach...a vacuum...into which something ELSE must rush to fill the void.

    Christianity has had one OVERSTATEMENT of authority after another from its AUTHORITY figures and institutions.

    None seem to stand up to the test of REALITY.

  • tec
    tec

    Christianity has had one OVERSTATEMENT of authority after another from its AUTHORITY figures and institutions. None seem to stand up to the test of REALITY.

    Because are they supposed to have that authority? One leader - Christ. One teacher - Christ.

    "But you are not to be called 'Rabbi', for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called 'teacher', for you have one Teacher, the Christ."

    Tammy

  • tec
    tec

    I think the point I meant to make is that it is no different. Everyone seeks to follow other men, and not God. Not even Christ, even though that was the message from God to us... to follow and listen to His Son.

    Instead, we continue to listen to and follow men. That, imo, is why things don't change. We still want leaders of men.

    Tammy

  • Terry
    Terry

    I think the point I meant to make is that it is no different. Everyone seeks to follow other men, and not God. Not even Christ, even though that was the message from God to us... to follow and listen to His Son.

    Where is the unity? Where is the test of validity? How is your idea (above) falsifiable?

  • lovelylil
    lovelylil

    Tammy

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