In an argument over science and religion, science wins every time!

Star tiger

Hi,

Heres just a small thread which may open up an interesting debate, look forward to your comments friends!

Star Tiger

OnTheWayOut

The latest trend is for "believers" to simply agree and ditch "religion" and have the Jesus of their own beliefs. Have fun with your thread.

Tuesday

It depends on the argument my man, if it comes to first cause usually Religion wins.

OnTheWayOut

I will throw in on FIRST CAUSE. I won't debate it endlessly, though. It's just more circular argument.

If everything must have a cause and we wanted to say that God is the first cause of the universe because He/It would be outside of the universe, then I could insist that God has a cause and we should worship/acknowledge that which created God.

If you insist that God was eternal or causeless, it destroys the validity of FIRST CAUSE arguments and allows science to say that something without God was either eternal or without a first cause.

In less words, WHO CREATED GOD?

Logic and science wins that argument, too.

All further discussion of FIRST CAUSE will just be pointless. Obviously, people are deeply rooted on their personal beliefs of this.

EntirelyPossible

If it comes down to first cause, religion usually picks <insert favorite holy book of fables of the day> and sticks its fingers in its ears and yells "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

Star tiger

I think that science generally works for mankinds benefit medically, financially and being non judgemental , religion however does all things to the contrary, actually hating man and his achievements, if it were left to religion no medical advances and disease reduction would have happened.

I can understand the religionists wish for a pollyanna world were only good things happen to good people, and that God always rewards the faithful but this is not the real world, as now evidence has ever been produced of his miracles, it seems some people will believe in almost anything as long as your not getting others to believe that stuff.

Nothing wrong with that, but religious people please come back to reality, and live your life now!!!!!

Star Tiger

Tuesday

OTWO

The First Cause argument is more so pointing to the cause of the Big Bang. Unfortunately like when a stone is dropped into a lake we can always track it back to the source of the ripple, where the ripple started but not necessarily what caused the ripple in the first place.

There's always arguments about God having a creator or the whole "What is God? Have you ever seen anything like that before existing? Why would you assume something like this exists in the first place?"

However in the field of debate the first cause argument always comes to a "I know" vs an "I don't know" argument in which case the "I know" usually has it.

As you know from my other posts I'm clearly an atheist, which holds science in high regard. I have just noticed that in this one instance in the field of debate the Theists usually get the duke.

metatron

Science wins? Well, kind of.....

Societies need myths to survive. Humans need fantasies to survive. Cold logic is not enough.

Was it Sartre who said, 'if there is no God, anything is possible'? Is it possible that we can't cope with a purely atheistic culture surrounding us?

Did young men in the '70's endure the horrors of learning calculus because they wanted to be 'Scotty" on Startrek?

I have hung out with grown men, greatly experienced in technical matters, who couldn't wait to see the Startrek timeline at the Las Vegas Hilton.

Until atheists acknowledge the need for myths, they will be doomed to frustration.

metatron

NomadSoul

Societies do not need myths to survive. They only need food and social structure. It would be interesting to see how things would be different if even half of the world where atheists that were promoters of science.

sabastious

What, then, if two religious scientists are arguing?

-Sab

In an argument over science and religion, science wins every time!

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