" Are they Christians or Jehovians ? " Neither - They are a dangerous mind control cult. Big difference
Are Jehovah's Witnesses Chrsitians?
by TimothyT 21 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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ABibleStudent
Essan - They aren't Christians. They aren't even Jehovians - they are Societians.
They worship the Society as God, Jehovah is just a cover story.
Thanks Essan for labeling JWs "Societains". It sort of rhythms with leviathan. I agree that JWs spend more time reading WTBTS literature, trying to keep up with the latest WTBTS doctrinal changes, peddling WTBTS literature, and reading "all of the Bible" instead of focusing on the Gospels and NT. To me a Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ via guidance from the Holy Spirit, which was promised by Jesus Christ to his disciples (and his followers). I don't believe that Jesus Christ ever mentioned an organization such as the WTBTS in the NT helping and providing guidance to Christians.
Wikipedia - Leviathan ( English pronunciation: /l?'va?.?θ?n/ ; Hebrew: ????????? , Modern Livyatan Tiberian Liwya?an ; "twisted, coiled"), is a sea monster referred to in the Bible. In Demonology, Leviathan is one of the seven princes of Hell and its gatekeeper (see Hellmouth). The word has become synonymous with any large sea monster or creature. In classical literature (such as the novel Moby-Dick) it refers to great whales, and in Modern Hebrew, it means simply "whale." It is described extensively in Job 41.
Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,
ABibleStudent
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sizemik
By this all will know you are my disciples . . . if you have love among yourselves.
On the critereia put forth by Christ himself . . . NO . . . they are not Christians.
They are a fundamentalist mind-controlling religious cult . . . (note; the word "christian" does not appear.)
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thetrueone
The WTS. has purposely distanced themselves from the label Christians for they wanted to identify their organization different and apart
from the more common Christian based faiths (Christendom ) who they have proclaimed false religion.
Most Christian based faiths claim Jesus Christ is god and their focus of worship is directed to him.
So yes they do worship Jesus but in a more secondary way than his supposed father Jehovah.
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godrulz
JWs, Mormons, Christian Science are pseudo-Christian cults, not biblical, historical, orthodox Christianity. They deny the essentials of the Christian faith and have a false gospel, counterfeit Christ (Gal. 1:6-10; 2 Cor. 11:4; Jude 3). They trust an organization and deny the Deity and physical resurrection of Christ (and His physical return). Mormons are polytheists and JWs are Arians, both condemned, extra/contrabiblical heresies.
A secular source may lump them in as Christian vs Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, etc., but they are not true, biblical Christians. They are objects of evangelism, not another denomination (they also do not consider any other group Christian, so either they are right or the rest of us are right). Mormons consider themselves Christians because they believe in 'Jesus', but it is a non-existent spirit brother of Lucifer evolving man-god, not the Lord Jesus Christ, the Alpha and Omega, the Great I AM of Scripture. A counterfeit coin is worthless, not on par with the genuine.
Former JWs who find the real Jesus and are born again will tell you the difference and that they were in darkness before their new conversion to Christianity.
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OBVES
If you believe Jehovah's Witnesses are not christians after reading my proofs they are the true christians you are hypnotized by Satan.
It is obvious we must have a period of 120 years counted before Jesus comes back and there is no religion that can be linked by proper dating to that period and will not be in my view in the near future while we are closing in on important period of 2000 years after Jesus that is a requirement for Jesus' return as well .
If we go to 33 AD as the last year Jesus was alive and add 2000 years we get 2033 AD which would be the latest date for his second return.
And we must count 120 years to be in line with Matthew 24.37-39 ;Genesis 6.3 .
2033 AD - 120 years = 1913 AD .
So ,there had to be the true christian religion in existence at that time that would begin building of the spiritual ark of 120 years .
No other religion than the International Bible Students fit in ! And they ceased to exist but we must have a continuation of building that spiritual ark and Jehovah's Witnesses by holding to the name watchtower got their legitimacy to continue that process.
Good indicators that these two represent God Yahweh in building that ark is : two basic teachings from the very beginning of their respective existence :
God Jehovah is the only true God and he is the Father of Jesus Christ .
There is no literal hot hell .On this one alone , most religions ( all the mainstream religions included ) are dead wrong and false and will be the thing of the past this year if Jesuc comes back as predicted.
Jehovah's Witnesses are the true christian organization from bottom to the top .
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GLTirebiter
Do they do what Christ said to do? Matthew 29 quotes Jesus saying
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
No, they don't do that.
- They baptize in the name of the Watchtower Society, not the Christian triune Godhead.
- They don't teach followers to do all things whatsoever that Jesus commanded (see "love your enemy", "judge not", etc.).
- They teach that Jesus was not "with us always", but that he came back (invisibly) in 1874--no, make that 1914--after 1800 years with no true Christian organization on earth.
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godrulz
OBVES...oh brother. Did you fail math?
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OBVES
Jesus was speaking the words you are quoting to his first disciples !They were going to preach to the utter parts of the world and Jesus promised to them he would be with them always . To the end of the world means to the upper parts of the world which was the Roman Empire at that time considered to be the whole world - Luke 2.1. It is not about the time ( end of the world you mean ) but the end of the world meaning the places they would go to !To the end of the world = to the upper parts of the world ( region ) which can be understood as the end of the Roman Empire where it ends in space .
There was not a single true christian church after 150 AD. However it is possible there some individuals from time to time God considered to be His people and that would imply that Jesus was present in the world whenever a true worshippers was found for all centuries that can be called dark ages .
The heresies spread all over the Roman Empire .
We stick to the Bible and once it was completed we don't have to go into details of any church after that untill we come to the times when the endtime era kicks in .
If we don't have an endtime era now .. no church on earth can be proven true ! But once we prove we live in the endtime era we must track down by dates which religion is related to that era as a God's true organization .
And then we have an easy way to identify that true christian organization.It is Jehovah's Witnesses today .No other christian church on this earth comes close to link them to the endtime era this unique way .
This religious organization must be some 120 years old as it leads the nations to salvation as it builds the ark of salvation in the likeness of Noah's time - Genesis 6.3;Matthew 24.37-39.
We ignore all religions that existed from 150 AD to 1874 AD .We begin anew as the understandining of the Bible is given to God's people .
We must prove that the Bible was written for us also ,not only for those who lived prior to the year 150 AD.
Unless we use proper calculations based on the Bible we may not be able to prove that unless we get some breakthrough understandings of the Bible .
Popular belief in literal hell for centuries proves we had false religions and Jesus Christ was not there .
If you don't have calculations and resulting dates to prove we are in the endtime era you will not prove the Bible is for our times .
For instance , Paul wrote a letter to Thessalonians .You will not prove it was a letter written to you or any other person in our time.It was written to Thessalonians .
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