hey, you, Rabbit!
good to see you posting
If I do not go and speak with the elders by Sunday, then he will speak with them on my behalf.
by TimothyT 44 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
They don't have "the truth." The only power they have is the power they are given by the people that buy into their lies.
Your lifestyle is irrelevant. They have much more to be ashamed of by their "generation" false prophecies, their murderous blood doctrines, etc.
Edit to add: If/when my time comes, I would inform them of my decision to disfellowship all of them for apostasy.
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talesin
billy, you are brave. I'm with you all the way.
big sis,,,
tal
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DesirousOfChange
Just in case you are unaware of it, you should know that if you spend the night with a person who is known to be a homosexual, you can be disfellowshipped, just as can a person who spends the night with someone of the opposite sex. So, if you want to do a fade..............don't spend the night with your BF.
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nugget
Timothy once they get the scent of scandal they will try to get to the root of the problem but if you are prepared to walk away and forget them then take a deep breath and do it. It seems that this friend is prepared to expose you and use things you said in confidence and they will move to disfellowship. You have done all the damage control you can sometimes disfellowshipping can be a good thing it allows you to walk away and live as you choose.
This religion is bad for you it hurts you mentally and emotionally it does not represent God. Don't let a book publishing company be involved in your life you wouldn't let faber and faber or random house poke their nose in your affairs don't let the Watchtower society.
You have credibility and integrity and someone great in your life embrace it.
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Jackals
What I hate about this is the ultimatum aspect. It's forcing Tim to act prematurely and coming out is a delicate issue, one which needs time and support. As a friend he should be supporting Tim through this time, instead what he's doing is detrimental. What does he think will be gained by this? Will Tim miraculously decide to become a devout Witness again? Of course not, if anything it'll push him further away. I don't look at things from a JW point of view, I look at it from a position of compassion and humanity. Tim needs time to make his own decision in his own way, the way this brother has acted makes me very aggravated.
Jack x
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Mad Sweeney
The elders don't "help" anybody but the Borg. To them "help" = reindoctrination and conforming behavior to their standards
Timothy and Jack. Best of luck to you both. It is going to be difficult to give up on JW friends but there is absolutely no way to keep them and live a free lifestyle that is true to yourselves.
By the way Timothy, the quicker you shed the Watchtower lingo (which is full of psychologically loaded words and phrases) the quicker you will be able to adjust to being an ex-JW. They are no longer "brothers" they are "cult members" or "Jehovah's Witnesses" or simply "them." It is no longer "the truth" it is "The Watchtower" or "The Borg" or "The Jehovah's Witness religion." If you drop all the "theocratic" language it will help expedite your adjustment to the real world. (by the way, Jack isn't a "worldly" person, he's a "normal" person). See how the entire perspective changes with a simple change in vocabulary?
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jamiebowers
About what exactly is your friend going to the elders? He hasn't caught you in wrong doing.
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Chariklo
Mad Sweeney
the quicker you shed the Watchtower lingo (which is full of psychologically loaded words and phrases) the quicker you will be able to adjust to being an ex-JW.
Absolutely right, and very helpful to those of us who have got ensnared in the web too, as well as full JW's.Thanks.
Billy,
I would inform them of my decision to disfellowship all of them for apostasy.
I loved that. Yes, well the whole WT is actually apostate, isn't it? Except that, see Mad Sweeney's post above, most of mainstream Christianity doesn't even use that word. But that's what the WT is.
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NewChapter
Jack, it's true you don't look at this situation like a JW and it makes it very hard to understand. These people have had many messages beat into their heads. One of them is that if they suspect "wrongdoing" they MUST go to the person and ask them to turn themselves in. They are taught to give a definite time limit and then they must actually go themselves. IF THEY DON'T then they are guilty of the exact same "sin" and risk their hope for everlasting life. His JW friend probably has a heavy conscience since he is buying into this bullshit. He probably thinks he is really helping his friend. And he probably feels better because he is taking care of this. It is really hard for an outsider to understand. When I would be talking to a friend, if their tone turned serious and they seemed to be in a confessional mood, I would beg them to please not tell me anything that could get them into trouble. I didn't want my conscience to bother me and I didn't want to give my friend an ultamatum. The Borg rules all. His friend at this very moment is probably praying about this and hoping that Tim can actually be "helped". That's how they think. Scary isn't it? I used to think that way too---and I am so sorry that I ever viewed the world that way. But when I was in, I was 100% convinced that the best thing I could do for my friend was turn them in.
I knew of one person that left because he was a homosexual. Anytime he was referenced it was with disgust. You can't break through that attitude.
NC