If I do not go and speak with the elders by Sunday, then he will speak with them on my behalf.

by TimothyT 44 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Pams girl
    Pams girl

    Timmy and Jack

    The WBTS is not your life. NOW is your life......

    Let them do what they will, you dont have to answer questions, take calls, answer your door....you are not on trial and dont need to dignify them with a response to anything. Forget them. Get out there. LIVE!!!!!! You will soon make new friends who love you for everything you are. They are a cult. Youve taken the first step by not going to meetings, now take it a step further, take back YOUR control and have nothing to do with them.

  • TimothyT
    TimothyT

    Wannabefree: I see no reason for the ultimatum too... Its just pressure! He isnt aware of serious sin... neither am I! :D I cant reason with him. I appreciate that he is no caught in a HUGE spider web of organisational manipulation! Im going to downplay everything. Thanks!

    MrFreeze: Good point. Im not bothered where this leads! Disfelowshiped, dissasociated, inactive... WHATEVER!!! I have no intention on getting help from them. Im happy as I am. Better than iv ever been! :D

    Av8orntexas: Lol! What a funn situation to be put in. Lol! I feel the same! I feel like im back at junior school and i have stolen one of the others kids trains. "IM TELLIN'!" Haha... the sister was stressed too! Lol! You can see how caught up in it all they are cant you. I realise now that im old enough to make my own decisions.. and im also old enough to recognise those who do care for me and those who dont. thanks for your kind words. :D

    Whitedove: Im glad that this post has beena ble to help you too.:D Good luck!

    Chariko: Agreed! Too many silly little policies and ideas you have to follow. If someone steps out of line even by the slightest make sure you squeal on them. Is this realy because you love them, or is it because the organisation wants to have total control? To me it looks like the latter! My mum isnt a JW and when she realises what is going on, it will REALLY PI** HER OFF!!! I have already made my decision... its the way of happiness and continous bible study with Jesus as my personal saviour. Bye bye Org! :D

    Stillstuckcruz: Yep. How are you getting on anyway? Im doing GREAT! Id like to know the reaction when they annoucne that i quit. I think one of two may cry! Perhaps they should wake up and realise that nothing changes. If they still want to be my friend then my door is always open. Im not abandoning anyone! They are abandoning me! :D

    Blacksheep: Lol! That sounds liek a plan! HAHA!!!

    Sizemilk: HAHA!!! Your post made me laugh. Its good to put it into perspective isnt it. Im glad i am now at this point, but i do feel for the other 7 million who are deluded. Id like to reach out to them, but i dont think they would respond. I will try my best for the future. Tahnks!

    Pamsgirl: HELOOOOOOOOOO! :D:D:D Thanks for your kind words! I feel at the moment I am living, and the transition between JW life and normal life is about to be completed. In the meantime, im just not going to cooperate with anyone who decides to make my business their business. Ill keep you updated! :D

    In other news: I just had a further conversation with the brother. He truly believes he is helping me. I made it clear to him that he isnt. He quoted Matthew 18:15 which speaks about talking to your brother, then getting the older men involved. The scritpure is missapplied, and i told him to mind his own business and not to involve anyone else in mine. If i want their help, I will ask for it.

    Interestingly, my (biological) brother told me today that this brother also has used the same ultimatum on him. I wont explain my brothers situation, but if he doesnt go to speak with the elders by Sunday also, then he will also be dobbed in, so to speak.

    Let us see where this goes! Ill keep you posted.

    Timmy xxx :D

  • Broken Promises
    Broken Promises
    and i told him to mind his own business and not to involve anyone else in mine.

    Good for you!!

    but if he doesnt go to speak with the elders by Sunday also, then he will also be dobbed in, so to speak.

    What??? What a control freak! This guy needs to get a life!!

    Hang in there, Tim! You have NO obligation to speak to the elders unless you WANT to. They only have as much control over you as you let them. Best to you and Jack.

  • Heartofaboy
    Heartofaboy

    Wish I'd had your courage when I was your age Tim & Jack, still it was a different time & era I suppose.

    You look lovely together I wish nothing but happiness for you both.

    The elders have no hold over you.

    Hoab

  • sizemik
    sizemik
    i do feel for the other 7 million who are deluded. Id like to reach out to them, but i dont think they would respond. I will try my best for the future. Tahnks!

    I think we honestly all feel that way Tim . . . but you're right, getting the right response is rare . . . even if we employ the best methods available. We can however be a support to those exiting and finding a real life . . . like we do here at JWN. Most of us need it, and it's a worthwhile and valuable thing to do. Don't go anywhere too soon.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    That is how the hounders respond--disfellowship first and ask questions later. Your "problem with sexuality" means precisely nothing. It could merely be a masturbation issue. Or, you could be gay or bisexual without doing anything--since when can you get disfellowshipped for merely being attracted to a same-sex person? Or, it could be that you wish to date a worldly person. At this point, there are simply too many things that it "could be" for them to jump to conclusions.

    And, chances are good that the "problem with sexuality" is really a problem with the religion or the hounders. You are attracted to someone, or a category of people (usually other men) that carries shame and guilt within the religion. So what. If the "problem with sexuality" is merely you wish to date a worldly person, it is most definitely a problem with the religion. Yet, the hounders are going to make more out of it than it really is--as if you already committed fornication or homosexuality. And they are going to act accordingly.

    However, when pedophiles get away with silencing their victims, it is usually "slander" that they use as a threat. A pedophile needs to witnesses to the event "or it never happened". They never afford homosexuals the same benefit of the doubt--either two people had to witness the event or it never happened. Regular fornication is also not viewed like that--you are looking at a possible slander situation. They almost never disfellowship people for falsely blowing in people with a "problem with sexuality" as if for fornication--yet, if you blow in someone for molesting a child, you can get disfellowshipped on "slander".

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    Tim said: i have ALWAYS been more liberal! I was always a rebel and i never realy did anything the JW way anyway. Thanks! :D

    Tim, this is something that I have thought about without end. I can't figure how I managed to stuff my liberal brain into their conservative box. It was always a struggle. I don't know how I did it because it made me miserable and even angry. For instance, since we've talked a lot about homosexuality, I just never felt on board with them. My stomach would actually knot up when the subject came up. I thought that even if they believed it was immoral their reaction to it was completely out of balance. But I couldn't say anything! The most I could say was that homosexuality was not rated any worse than heterosexual fornication and therefore we didn't need to get all ruffled about it unless we had the same reaction to other sins. And yet even that rang hollow for me. I just didn't have this huge problem like they did. And that goes for a lot of other things too. Today I go to a church with a lesbian pastor and I have never been more comfortable in my entire life. How sad that they dismiss this phenomenal woman without even understanding how much she has to offer. The whole thing is sad.

    I'm sorry the control has been taken from you. I definitely understand not wanting to make that jump. But I am happy for you too. I'm sure there will be some pain but it will be worth it. Let them go about in their own little world. You are fine now.

    NC

  • TimothyT
    TimothyT

    BrokenPromises: Thanks! I agree... he needs to get a life instead of hanging around with people who are going to make him do this to his oldest friends. I tried to tell him that doing this is going to cut off all association between him and my family. We are all kind of in this together now. We are very secure together! Im just gonna deny everything to the elders when they come knocking. Thanks very much.

    Heartofaboy: Yes... i think my situation is a bit easier too because my family are supportive of me. We live in a more liberal soceity too and know i have made plans for the fact that im about to lose all my old freinds. Thanks very much too! ~:D

    Sizemilk: Yes.. i agree! I will be sticking around here to help people who want to come out of it all to do so. Plus, i will use this forum for honest bible questions that i may have when i do my personal study. I have to say for me, this forum has been INCREDIBLE! The support has been WONDERFUL! I feel I owe it now to help others. Many thanks!

    WTWizard: To be honest, i could be disfellowshiped for many things now! Whatever! Couldnt care less! They can jump to conclusions if they wish!

    Newchapter: I know! I was the same... always looking for ways to fit in, to change my mind to what it should have been! How absurd i was! Trying to do this also made me miserable and depressed. Dont feel those feelings anymore. :D When the subject of homosexuality came up for me, it also used to annoy me. I havnt been to meetings in weeks, but the last one i went to, the brother on the platform did a demo and they subject was homosexaulity. I walked out and then wondered why the hell i went. Its nice to know that you can go somewhere were people are accepted. Although i dont think i will ever join a religion or a church again, im certainly going to be interested in furtherinmg my knowedge of the bible and continuing to be a good person. If i find a church which is liberal enough and is honest, i will consider going to their services. Im glad anyway, because now, things are in motion. Im excited abou tthe future. :D

  • compound complex
    compound complex

    Dear Tim and Jack:

    Wishing you much happiness.

    We older ones could benefit from your example of choosing not to live your lives in fear. I endeavor, but the baggage of a lifetime is heavy.

    Love and peace,

    CoCo

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    Don't acknowledge their authority. The only power they have over you is the power you give them. They are inconsequential, bigotted jerks.

    Are you near a gay community such as in a major city or university town? I lived in Greenwich Village and East Village in NY. The gay community started on Christopher Street. There were tens of thousands of gay men. You would have friends and support if you did. I can emphathize but I can never know.

    Those elders won't even emphatize. It seems as though a clean break is necessary. I wonder if you could appoint an agent to work out an agreement with them. If you have love with your lover, why would you want to atone for it? I am Episcopalian. The West Village contains a mostly gay parish. I saw a neighbor of mine kiss his lover in open on Easter in the most conservative Anglican church in the city. I believe Lutherans are welcoming, too.

    The Anglican communion may split between the polygamous bishops in Africa won't accept the ordination of gay Americans. Three of my parishes had gay rectors. Other mainstream churches are also inclusive.

    It makes sense to embrace those who embrace you.

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